Just Some Questions

mscichlid

Founder
A lot of what is already in the rules will work[/b]

Bonus Points:

c. A CCA member who auctions off the spawn from a successful breeding (defined as a breeding recognized by the BAP Committee) will be awarded points equal to the category of the species.

I agree with Mike. Most of this is already in the rules.

If the rules are going to be changed (to include catfish) we'll have to vote on it.

The biggest problem has always been getting someone to check the spawns....and then of course, there's Steve...:)
 

maddog10

Members
I am not big on extra points for auctioning off fry. Our auctions are pretty good as it is. On the other hand, we are always looking for articles for the Biotope - hence the extra points for that! Of course all of my articles will be the same. Added water to tank, added fish to tank and 3 weeks later babies were swimming around.
 
Since the rules only have to be tweaked to add the new bonus points qualifications, we only have to address the verification suggestions and add the new bonus points schedule. I also agree that we should only include cichlids in the BAP program.

Amendments:

1. Any member wishing to be eligible for BAP points must contact a BAP committee member within seven days of a successful spawn. This may be done by phone, pm, or email. If done by pm or email, a legible photograph of the fry may be attached to provide proof of the successful spawn. The BAP committee person then must provide visual verification of the spawn. This can be done by one of the BAP committee, or an CCA member assigned by the BAP committee, to visit the members location and have the official BAP form signed, witnessed, and dated no later than two weeks from the BAP committee notification.

2. Bonus Points may be awarded to the member for the following circumstances:

a) 10 Points for each Article published in the Biotope or any subscribed printed publication.
b) 20 Points for a successful spawn of any species that is listed as "endangered".
c) 15 Points for a successful spawn of any species that is listed as "threatened".
d) 10 Points for each date the fry have been donated to the CCA meeting auction.
e) 5 Points for each date the fry have been auctioned at the CCA meeting auction (if donated, add the 10 points from above mentioned).

2. All fish eligible must be in the genera "cichlids".

We can control the auction points by issuing copies of a "BAP Bonus Point Coupon" to each member at the time of visual verification. Then the member can fill it out and bring it to the auction with the fish and present it to the BAP committee for the bonus points to be issued.
 

DeeCee

Members
I like the idea of extra points for a member that auctions some fry. I can see where it would be a problem if you had some endangered fish or really hard to breed fish - and getting them to FINALLY breed and having to put the fry in the auction? No way. I'm just not that nice of a person (sorry!)

So, it would be good to not have it be mandatory, but get bonus points if you choose to put some fry in the auction for BAP points. And hey - if they're endangered or just plain hard to breed - absolutely - write up that article for the Biotope and let the rest of us know whatcha did. (unless you're like Mike and you just add water and stir well) HA

And again, I think adding catfish to the BAP would be good as well. This club has always had alot of catfish interest from our members, haven't we?

DC
 
As for the photography issue. I think any member who can take a snapshot of their fish should do so and include it in the process. However, if a member wishes to earn bonus points by publishing the spawn in a subsribed publication like the Biotope, better quality photographs should be considered. Not only does it help with the verification process, but the pix can provide more material for the Biotope and we can have a regular BAP section in the periodical to show off the members successful breeding on a regular basis. So, not only will the member get extra points, but the Biotope will get more news to report.

Also, we may consider adding a section in the Biotope that acknowledges members that have made spawn donations to the auctions.

Getting rewards with points AND recognition in the Biotope may spice up the BAP program too. All good for the club and membership.

Lastly, we have several members here who take good photos. I can think of at least five or six of us who use DSLR cameras that have the capability of capturing quality fry shots. Getting one of the photographer members to visit a BAP application member's location should be fairly easy. I'm talking about photos to be used for publication. As long as everyone remembers it's voluntary and the scheduling has to be convenient for all parties involved.
 
And again, I think adding catfish to the BAP would be good as well. This club has always had alot of catfish interest from our members, haven't we?[/b]


Hmmm, all we have to do is add another "C" to the title. Capital Cichlid and Catfish Association - CCCA. :cool0027:

Hey Pat, Donna just came up with another good idea to increase membership. :D
 

mscichlid

Founder
We actually used to list the BAP points in the Biotope when folks participated. Marya and Pat actually got their Breeder Certificates at the Holiday Party held at Ron's a few years back.

I'd like to see the awards given out at the meetings once it gets going again. Once it gets going.
 

mscichlid

Founder
And again, I think adding catfish to the BAP would be good as well. This club has always had alot of catfish interest from our members, haven't we?[/b]


Hmmm, all we have to do is add another "C" to the title. Capital Cichlid and Catfish Association - CCCA. :cool0027:

Hey Pat, Donna just came up with a another good idea to increase membership. :D
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I don't like the sound of that... CA-CA
 

JustRon

Members
I know we have a cichlid club, but we have always been inclusive of catfish as well. I wouldlike to see cats in the BAP. I think I am going to hate everyone no matter..... I am setting up a rack for another 10 smaller breeder tanks today.
 

longstocking

Members
I think we are on the same page.

I also think we should include catfish. My reason being... we have included catfish in everything else we do. Aquafest, auctions, box exchange.... pretty much everything. I think we should try and be consistant.

Maybe just put one catagory for them... all worth the same amount of points. So we are still stressing cichlids but at least recognizing catfish. 20 points or something like that.

I will say if someone breeds a certain syno from lake tang.... he should get 200 points LOL. Cough cough Ron ! :p

Thanks for taking the initiative Bobby... I was going to ask you to re-write them since you are a way better writter than me :lol: We'll keep tweaking them as we get more ideas.
 

maddog10

Members
1 Category for cats would be fine (there are just too many to keep track of). I vote 1 point :FIREdevil:
 
1 Category for cats would be fine (there are just too many to keep track of).[/b]

That was my reason for leaving them out too. I think Frannie is correct about having a club vote to include catfish. But, I still think we should leave them out. I'm guessing most CCA members that raise catfish, belong to another club that places more emphasis on them. Either way, I can live with it though. :rolleyes:

Thanks for taking the initiative Bobby... I was going to ask you to re-write them since you are a way better writter than me[/b]

I'll give it a whirl when we get all the facts resolved.
 

longstocking

Members
I'm not a member at any other club :tongue0011: I only have 3 types of cats though ;) CCA ALL THE WAY BABY !!!! :lol:

We'll put it to a vote since we seem pretty divided on this... not a big deal at all.
 

longstocking

Members
What are everyones thoughts on including any fish that is on the red list? In other words not just cichlids. I like the idea ... but that's just me.
 

maddog10

Members
What are everyones thoughts on including any fish that is on the red list? In other words not just cichlids. I like the idea ... but that's just me.[/b]

I barely know cichlids, let alone ALL the other fish out there. I say no to all other fish except cichlids (maybe catfish - but probably not). We are a cichlid club, we need to draw a line in the sand. There are other all species clubs out there, such as PVAS (which I am now a member). I joined CCA because it was a cichlid club and the emphasis of the club was toward cichlids. Did I mention we are a cichlid club! :angel2:
 
I barely know cichlids, let alone ALL the other fish out there. I say no to all other fish except cichlids (maybe catfish - but probably not). We are a cichlid club, we need to draw a line in the sand. There are other all species clubs out there, such as PVAS (which I am now a member). I joined CCA because it was a cichlid club and the emphasis of the club was toward cichlids. Did I mention we are a cichlid club![/b]

Ditto!!!!

I would imagine that it would take a pretty good and knowledgeable aquatic biologist to determine the accurate identity of all the endangered species out there. I think you guys should consider this. Keep it as simple to our club's general interest as possible.
 
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