mscichlid
Founder
No problem. We can move the leopodli to 20 pts.
New Bap List
- Thread starter longstocking
- Start date
maddog10
Members
NOW they are :angel2:
Still way to many Nandopsis species (there aren't that many) listed in the 20 pt section.
mscichlid
Founder
Okay. One 30 points for Domestic, and 30 points each for the other 2 recognized species of discus.
mscichlid
Founder
Okey Dokey.
mscichlid
Founder
NOW they are :angel2:
Still way to many Nandopsis species (there aren't that many) listed in the 20 pt section.
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The Joturo, Nandopsis ramsdeni is apparently restricted to some small rivers in the eastern part of Cuba near Guantanamo, where it lives close to populations of N. tetracanthus, more precisely Rio Yateras. Recent collections indicate that its naturally reduced range has been reduced even more because of pollution. Nandopsis ramsdeni has not been collected extensively in any case and I just know of Mikael Kaiman, from the Netherlands, an expert on Central American Cichlids, having made actual collections and taken fish out of Cuba in recent years. Joturo's are aggressive fish (what a surprise!) and seem to grow a little smaller than its relatives the Viejita's, that is about 18 cm (~7 inches) in total length, although I have been told they can reach up to 30 cm in the home aquarium. They have a higher profile and steeper forehead than N. tetracanthus and also show a more compressed body. They are brown in coloration with attractive black markings.
From a taxonomy point of view; the ichthiologist Gill erected in 1862 the genus Nandopsis for the species Nandopsis tetracanthus (Valenciennes, 1831) - Viejita - (which was originally described by Valenciennes as Centrarchus tetracanthus). Nandopsis is now known to be a senior synonym of the genus Parapetenia, Regan 1905, as the type species of Regan's subgenus Parapetenia (it was originally described as a sub-genus in 1905) was Cichlasoma adspersum, a junior synonym of Nandopsis tetracanthus. N. tetracanthus was also listed by Regan (in the second place) as belonging to his newly created sub-genus. Parapetenia was later declared by the same Regan as a "section" of Cichlasoma. In 1930 Parapetenia was raised to generic status by Jordan, Evermann and Clark, although this opinion is not widely accepted nowadays, for the reasons explained. As members of Parapetenia, Regan also assigned the now members of the genus Parachromis, Agassiz, 1958, (managuensis, dovii, loisellei, motaguensis, friedrichsthalii). Nandopsis will be most likely restricted to the Cichlids from the greater Antilles (Robert Rush Miller, personal communication). With the fossil Nandopsis woodringii, we have four other apparently valid species. Two from Cuba, Nandopsis tetracanthus (Valenciennes 1831) - Viejita - which resembles somehow the closely related Parachromis managuensis, and Nandopsis ramsdeni (Fowler, 1938) - Joturo - and two more cichlids from La Hispaniola Island (Haiti - Dominican Republic), Nandopsis haitiensis (Tee-Van, 1935) and Nandopsis voombergae (Ladiges, 1938), this last perhaps a synonym of N. haitiensis.
Regards. Juan Miguel Artigas Azas
How about just listing the four in bold. I think the others got moved to Parachromis.
maddog10
Members
I am going to use the cichlidae.com gallery as a guide and redo the new world group (gonna take some time)
maddog10
Members
Ok, I updated the North and Central Americans. i will double check the South Americans later (they are probably mostly correct). Most of the NA and CA fish were listed, just had the wrong species name.
maddog10
Members
I went through and did some work on the New World fish. Please check it over and see if there is anything that you disagree with. WHEW!!!
mscichlid
Founder
You are the man! It is indeed a lot of work. Hopefully, CCA will be the club with the most up to date BAP listing...once it's completed.
JustRon
Members
I will revisit the Africans today or tomorrow.
longstocking
Members
Thanks Ron, I worked a lot on them... but I'm sure the malawi/victorian need a lot of work.
The trets you mentioned are different than the sexfascitus. Trets are a 30 point fish.... but the sexfascitus are a lot harder to breed. There are a few differences in these fish. The number of bars for 1.
It is a lot of work ! I've spent hours on this already and haven't even touched the surface ! That's why if everyone helps it will be a better more up to date list and probably less errors
Not to mention it will get done faster... since I would have to learn new worlds in a couple of days :lol:
The trets you mentioned are different than the sexfascitus. Trets are a 30 point fish.... but the sexfascitus are a lot harder to breed. There are a few differences in these fish. The number of bars for 1.
It is a lot of work ! I've spent hours on this already and haven't even touched the surface ! That's why if everyone helps it will be a better more up to date list and probably less errors
Not to mention it will get done faster... since I would have to learn new worlds in a couple of days :lol: