National Aquarium in Baltimore Visit Footage

AquaStudent

CCA Members
Hello CCA!

I was down in Baltimore for a conference a few weeks ago and convinced my crew to take a trip over to the Baltimore Aquarium.

It is truly one of my favorite places in the world and I hope to encourage you to take the trip over there.

[YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OaNBG-1_dw[/YT]
If the embed doesn't work here's a link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OaNBG-1_dw
 

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Plenipotentiary-at-large
Nice work if you can get it

Hello CCA!

I was down in Baltimore for a conference a few weeks ago and convinced my crew to take a trip over to the Baltimore Aquarium.

It is truly one of my favorite places in the world and I hope to encourage you to take the trip over there.

[YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OaNBG-1_dw[/YT]
If the embed doesn't work here's a link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OaNBG-1_dw

I offered to see about organizing a special tour for CCA members some time ago - can't recall a single positive response. Just from a technical perspective have to think it would be pretty cool.

On a side note, Tennessee Aquarium in Chattanooga is simply amazing - definite side-trip if one's in the area - easily the most well-thought out and only aquarium I've ever been to that actually qualifies as "educational" just by design although Monterrey Bay is remarkable in its own right.
 

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Just looked at the video

Was not aware that National has two venues, or that they have dolphins imprisoned at their Baltimore site, was only familiar with the location in DC that does not. Very sad to hear that the Baltimore location pimps cetaceans for fun and profit (theirs). Immediately disqualifies it as any place I will ever recommend or visit.
 

AquaStudent

CCA Members
Was not aware that National has two venues, or that they have dolphins imprisoned at their Baltimore site, was only familiar with the location in DC that does not. Very sad to hear that the Baltimore location pimps cetaceans for fun and profit (theirs). Immediately disqualifies it as any place I will ever recommend or visit.

I'm confused? It's ok to keep fish in a small home tank and a large public display is wrong? The aquariums in Baltimore are better maintained than many/most private set-ups. I'm sorry but I just don't agree with your criticism.

I have also visited the Monterrey Bay Aquarium and had a great time there but that was years ago.
 

Chicklid

Members
The aquarium would be an awesome place to go with the CCA. I was actually considering going there this weekend!
 

Chicklid

Members
Was not aware that National has two venues, or that they have dolphins imprisoned at their Baltimore site, was only familiar with the location in DC that does not. Very sad to hear that the Baltimore location pimps cetaceans for fun and profit (theirs). Immediately disqualifies it as any place I will ever recommend or visit.

The dolphin show is extra so you don't actually have to pay for it if you don't want to. I never see the dolphin show.
 

AquaStudent

CCA Members
The dolphin show is extra so you don't actually have to pay for it if you don't want to. I never see the dolphin show.

IMO the Dolphin Show is well worth the fee. Honestly, the entrance fee to the aquarium is pretty steep but I have felt it was worth it every time. And the money is going towards running the facility and running environmental operations in the area so at least the finances aren't going to waste.
 

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Who's talking about fish?

I'm confused? It's ok to keep fish in a small home tank and a large public display is wrong? The aquariums in Baltimore are better maintained than many/most private set-ups. I'm sorry but I just don't agree with your criticism.

That you are. So much for the educational value of public aquaria. Dolphins are not fish, but rather mammals, cetaceans to be precise, many of which have brains as large or larger than your own, and that are in some ways more complex than human brains. They are also one of the few if only other truly sentient species besides higher primates and elephants in that they are truly self-aware. If you can't see the difference then you haven't looked, aren't thinking or are in denial.

Dolphins are also the only wild species on the planet that value human life and there are countless stories of dolphins saving people lost at sea, from drowning or from sharks. They live in mobile aquatic communities, have lifelong relationships with family members and herdmates, a sixth sense of sonar alien to humans, experience a range of emotions and feelings as profound as humans (enough that captive ones have been known to simply give up and die from sorrow), and essentially exemplify those most exalted attributes normally reserved for Homo sapiens - intelligence and compassion. That they deserve to be free and left alone in the open sea rather than being forced to do twice/thrice daily circus acts in the confines of shallow concrete tanks where they invariably die prematurely for profit and the fleeting amusement of spectators is only just.

You know what happens when you try and anesthetize a dolphin? They die, because they don't have an involuntary respiratory mechanism. That means that every breath a dolphin takes in its entire life is conscious. You should try it for even an hour. It means they can't and don't take life - or the lives of others – for granted, and in that they are our betters.
 

UNCLERUCKUS

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I offered to see about organizing a special tour for CCA members some time ago - can't recall a single positive response. Just from a technical perspective have to think it would be pretty cool.

On a side note, Tennessee Aquarium in Chattanooga is simply amazing - definite side-trip if one's in the area - easily the most well-thought out and only aquarium I've ever been to that actually qualifies as "educational" just by design although Monterrey Bay is remarkable in its own right.

wow! sadly i must have missed this cuz i would have been all over it. if there is any interest why not try again? im in if you do want to do something like this. discus used to volunteer there maybe he knows some info that would be helpful. i say lets do it! sounds like fun. :p
 

Nathan

Members
I grew up near the aquarium in tampa bay. I was pretty disappointed when I went to baltimore the first time after hearing how great it is. Atlanta is also great aside from their whale shark fetish.
 

Pat Kelly

CCA Member
Atlanta is my favorite.
Shedd is great
Monteray was cool

I loved Baltimore when if first opened. To me it has been let go too much. Should have remodled some of the stuff that was built in 1980 by now. But then I have been too many times. LOL
 

DiscusnAfricans

Past President
That they deserve to be free and left alone in the open sea rather than being forced to do twice/thrice daily circus acts in the confines of shallow concrete tanks where they invariably die prematurely for profit and the fleeting amusement of spectators is only just.
I won't dispute that dolphins are sentient animals, but you are completely overlooking the Aquarium's goal of stewardship. The dolphins that are used in shows are either rescued/rehabilitated animals that could not have survived in the wild, or were born in a captive facility and have not seen the ocean.

These animals also have regular veterinary attention, a closely monitored diet, and an extensive enrichment program. Dolphins in captivity are actually known to live much longer lives than their wild counterparts due to lack of predation and limited exposure to pathogens.

The dolphins are also used as a mascot and allure for young kids. They are used to educate and demonstrate the importance of responsible maintenance of the ocean. Attend a show and you will see the audience has a lot of young kids in attendance. I think these animals are important to generate interest in younger generations.

I used to volunteer at the Baltimore Aquarium and it is a well-run and well-maintained facility. I plan to start volunteering there again once I have enough free time. The admission fee is a little steep, but the Aquarium is a not-for-profit Federal institution, so all revenue supports the facility and its mission statement.

I think it would be great to organize a group trip. The University of Maryland Center for Environmental Research is located within walking distance and also can be fun to explore.
 
I need to visit the Atlanta aquarium because I've heard so many great reviews of it.

I can't wait for the end of June because I'm going back to San Diego for a family visit. I plan on taking my kids to Sea World. I hope to get a chance to visit the Birch Aquarium, which is run by Scripps and UCSD (University of California, San Diego) and check out the new aquarium that is associated with LEGOLand. I'll give my reviews when I get back.

Arlene
 

AquaStudent

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I won't dispute that dolphins are sentient animals, but you are completely overlooking the Aquarium's goal of stewardship. The dolphins that are used in shows are either rescued/rehabilitated animals that could not have survived in the wild, or were born in a captive facility and have not seen the ocean.

These animals also have regular veterinary attention, a closely monitored diet, and an extensive enrichment program. Dolphins in captivity are actually known to live much longer lives than their wild counterparts due to lack of predation and limited exposure to pathogens.

The dolphins are also used as a mascot and allure for young kids. They are used to educate and demonstrate the importance of responsible maintenance of the ocean. Attend a show and you will see the audience has a lot of young kids in attendance. I think these animals are important to generate interest in younger generations.

I used to volunteer at the Baltimore Aquarium and it is a well-run and well-maintained facility. I plan to start volunteering there again once I have enough free time. The admission fee is a little steep, but the Aquarium is a not-for-profit Federal institution, so all revenue supports the facility and its mission statement.

I think it would be great to organize a group trip. The University of Maryland Center for Environmental Research is located within walking distance and also can be fun to explore.

Thank you very much for stating that much clearer than I ever could have.

I did not mean to assume that dolphins were fish (because they definitely aren't) but it is an educational facility. The animals are very well kept and closely watched by professionals and volunteers alike.

Also, many people don't understand the beauty of things they can't see. For example, the Vietnam War received so much critisism because it was so heavily filmed. People saw the tradgedy and heartache the war was bringing on and made people think about the causes. I say show a glimpse of our "Ocean Planet" and maybe we can help preserve it.

Mr. Pat, I was talking with an employee at the BA a few months ago about the renovation plans they have coming up. Apparently the plan is to renovate the "Wings in the Water" exhibit (ray, small shark, and Calypso exhibit) from Atlantic themed to Pacific. I was told they plan to start phasing out most of the animals, with Calypso being a definite exception, to other aquariums, and to bring in Pacific rays and sharks. Also, the supporting columns are going to be decorated with corals (not sure if they were thinking artificial or natural...) and to bring back the pit in the center of the exhibit, also lined with corals.

I'd be very happy to see this renovation. It seems to me to be a great idea!
 

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I won't dispute that dolphins are sentient animals, but you are completely overlooking the Aquarium's goal of stewardship. The dolphins that are used in shows are either rescued/rehabilitated animals that could not have survived in the wild, or were born in a captive facility and have not seen the ocean.

So slavey and prostitution are acceptable a long as the owners and pimps have good intentions? Stewardship?! Of what?! A concrete tank? The offspring of animals ripped from the wild? And who says they can't survive? They just suddenly forget how? And since when are they all rescued? My colleagues and I used to regularly block foreign imports of dolphins culled from the drive fisheries in Japan (as featured in The Cove) into the US and it was and has been in fact the premium paid by US, EU and Asian aquariums that was responsible for the fishery even surviving into the 21st Century.

These animals also have regular veterinary attention, a closely monitored diet, and an extensive enrichment program. Dolphins in captivity are actually known to live much longer lives than their wild counterparts due to lack of predation and limited exposure to pathogens.

This is complete crap, visit the Humane Society or Earth Island Institute websites. You've been sold a line. Pathogens? In the open ocean as opposed to a concrete tank?! Life expectancy?! Lifetime for an orca (the largest dolphins) for instance is probably half in captivity of what it is in the wild, if that. And just who do you think is the biggest predator on dolphins? It's not a marine species if you need a clue.

The dolphins are also used as a mascot and allure for young kids. They are used to educate and demonstrate the importance of responsible maintenance of the ocean. Attend a show and you will see the audience has a lot of young kids in attendance. I think these animals are important to generate interest in younger generations.

Every survey ever conducted has demonstrated that people are actually stupider for visiting dolphinariums than not regarding cetaceans. Responsible stewardship of the ocean?! Don't make me laugh. I spent almost 20 years in the ocean ecology arena and we got almost zero help from the captive display industry on anything from dolphin-safe tuna to ocean driftnets to overfishing - you name it they were nowhere to be found. To this day they won't even come out and publicly condemn the dolphin drive fisheries or whaling. All you're doing is parroting a corporate PR line. They are trying to make money and training dolphins to do tricks in tanks is about as educational as having you spend your life in a glass box juggling for the rest of your life as a way to "educate" an alien race about humans. Dolphins are enigmatic enough that they don't need corporate handlers to make them popular or get people to care, and the disconnect from seeing them in captivity demonstrating artificial behaviors to grasping that they are unfortunate enough to share the planet with us is only exacerbated by experiencing them in unnatural settings.

I used to volunteer at the Baltimore Aquarium and it is a well-run and well-maintained facility. I plan to start volunteering there again once I have enough free time. The admission fee is a little steep, but the Aquarium is a not-for-profit Federal institution, so all revenue supports the facility and its mission statement.

Bully for you, go for it. I think they're an abomination but then some of my best friends have been dolphins. And I get that you like dolphins, but learning about them from a dolphinarium just doesn't teach anyone anything useful or even necessarily real about them, let alone help them in anyway that I've ever seen..
 

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Maui has many wild and friendly dolphins

Thank you very much for stating that much clearer than I ever could have.

I did not mean to assume that dolphins were fish (because they definitely aren't) but it is an educational facility. The animals are very well kept and closely watched by professionals and volunteers alike.

Also, many people don't understand the beauty of things they can't see. For example, the Vietnam War received so much critisism because it was so heavily filmed. People saw the tradgedy and heartache the war was bringing on and made people think about the causes. I say show a glimpse of our "Ocean Planet" and maybe we can help preserve it.

And yet you went there and it made so little impression on you that you thought of them as fish. Obviously very educational. And you saw them performing unnatural behaviors in an unnatural environment with what you assume to be a permanent smile on their faces and now you think you know something about dolphins, their families, their way of life, the way they live, thrive and survive in an environment that is otherwise hostile to mammalian life. Right.

I have no idea why you would use the Vietnam War as an example/vehicle for the idea of hidden beauty within things one cannot normally see. But if you mean that cinema or video can catalyze caring or concern, I agree, and as such will ever support nature documentaries and maintain they are more than adequate and in every way superior to dolphinariums as a mean of educating the public and generating support for marine protection.
 

ddavila06

Members
i would much more prefer to see dolphins in the display tank than in a sandwich..wait ! i seen them both =)

the show at baltimore's aquarium about 5-6 years ago was a new experience to me. short and pretty.
the sandwich i saw while waiting for my flight at miami airport...i got a feeling i can not express when i realized they were selling dolphin:mad: , i ordered another mammal im more familiar with, cow! ...just saying


back to topic, would be superfun if CCA was able to get some into some sort of tour activity. behind the scenes perharps?:wub::wub:
 

AquaStudent

CCA Members
And yet you went there and it made so little impression on you that you thought of them as fish. Obviously very educational. And you saw them performing unnatural behaviors in an unnatural environment with what you assume to be a permanent smile on their faces and now you think you know something about dolphins, their families, their way of life, the way they live, thrive and survive in an environment that is otherwise hostile to mammalian life. Right.

I have no idea why you would use the Vietnam War as an example/vehicle for the idea of hidden beauty within things one cannot normally see. But if you mean that cinema or video can catalyze caring or concern, I agree, and as such will ever support nature documentaries and maintain they are more than adequate and in every way superior to dolphinariums as a mean of educating the public and generating support for marine protection.

The Vietnam War was far from beautiful. However, the photography and film showed the world what was actually happening. The reality shown in the video and images had an effect that rallied many American citizens into protest. In turn, eventually the American Government reversed it's previous aggressive actions. People are generally visual learners. If we see what is going on then we can act on it. Just like video evidence recorded by unnamed people showing the horrible actions from whalers and poachers.

However, in my experience, although a documentary is informative (assuming it's quality of course) they don't hit home as hard as personal experience. Also, documentaries are biased (that's the point of them) so they will give a skewed interpretation on the reality. Now I think you'll agree with me, having nearly 7 billion citizens of the planet Earth all exploring the Cheseapeake Bay Watershed would cause more harm than good so why not bring them something they can explore. Better yet, why not make a hub where we can catch a small, artificial glimpse into even other worlds. Sure it's not as great as visiting the Great Barrier Reef but it's a lot less destructive than having millions of people visiting the GBR is it not? Visiting a location like the Baltimore Aquarium is like watching a documentary in person. You gain the emotion and excitement from personal experience while not straining the system you're learning about. These institutions are biased like documentaries but provide the inspiration that can make a difference.

The atrocities from whaling and poaching can not be stopped without a strong public effort. In order to gain this backing the public needs to be educated fully on what is going on. For example, at the Baltimore Aquarium, during the dolphin show, multiple videos play explaining the current environmental problems the Chesapeake Watershed is facing due to pollution, overfishing, development, and the introduction of invasive species. I'm not sure about you but the most apparent one of these to me is pollution. Whether I am walking around the Inner Harbor or driving down the highway on I-495 I see human-made artifacts polluting the environment. I can't pick up all the trash in the world but with the public's backing we can reduce the amount of waste that enters the watershed directly.

As for you saying I think dolphins are fish you clearly misunderstood. I was talking in general. Most people associate fish with aquariums. Also at the aquarium are turtles like Calypso, the rescued Green Sea Turtle that had to have an emergency amputation of one of her front flippers. She would not have survived if it was not for the Baltimore Aquarium's programs intervention. She would not survive in the wild and quite frankly I believe it would be cruel to let her struggle.

The dolphin show is artificial but does show pieces of natural behavior. In the wild, as you know, dolphins are incredibly acrobatic. These acrobatics may be used as a form of communication. Studying the animals in the wild can tell us lots but it's also much more difficult to get a closer look. Also, there are many variables we can't control in nature. By isolating the system we can control much more.
 

Ballen0351

Members
i would much more prefer to see dolphins in the display tank than in a sandwich..wait ! i seen them both =)

the show at baltimore's aquarium about 5-6 years ago was a new experience to me. short and pretty.
the sandwich i saw while waiting for my flight at miami airport...i got a feeling i can not express when i realized they were selling dolphin:mad: , i ordered another mammal im more familiar with, cow! ...just saying
You sure it was the same dolphin? Dolphin fish aka mahi mahi is quite good actually. Dolphin the mammal i dont think ive ever eatten.

As for the dolphin are people too talk well i dont care i like the dolphin show at the aquarium and so do my kids

back to topic, would be superfun if CCA was able to get some into some sort of tour activity. behind the scenes perharps?:wub::wub:

That would be cool. Id be game for that.
 
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