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Maybe it's because I've never used anything other than a hob or canisiter - i don't get how the airline goes in...
 

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You drill a small hole at the bottom of the lift tube and just stick the airline in. I keep the airline in mine about 3/4" from the bottom. You could just feed it in from the bottom, but there is nothing to hold it in place. The small hole acts as a rest for the airline and friction keeps it in place.
 

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and that causes the water to pump from one side of the sponge media to the other? that is kinda cool - no, that is really cool. You don't need any other filtration and it is good?
 

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That is all you need. Water that is pumped up the lift tube and over into the other side of the sponge, is replaced with water that is drawn through the sponge. Simple as it gets. Generally, for small tanks you provide 2 uplift tubes. I can run all the tanks in my fish room using this method and a single air pump. Saves on electricity too!!
 

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and you all think it is better than a conventional filter?

Once, a long time ago i had a perfectly balanced tank - all I had to do was top up for evaporation - seriously. The water was as clear as the glass the only filtration I used was the biofilter part of a intank whisper filter - no floss, no charcoal. I had no nitrates, no nitrites. It ran that way for 6 months, until I had to break it down to move. I've never been able to reproduce that.
 

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These filters are great bio filters as they have a massive amount of surface area. I'm also running a HOB along with the mattenfilter to pick up the mechanical filtration. If you're dealing with messy fish or you're prone to overfeeding, a HOB would be a good addition to this type filter. If you're dealing with fish that aren't very messy and you're disciplined with feeding, this along with water changes would maintain the tank.

My Fish aren't overly messy, but I've been known to overfeed :)
 

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It's like a sponge filter...just a different shape.

I use an (air-driven) sponge and box filter on each tank...sponges are great for bio. Not so much for mechanical. Boxes are great for mechanical. Just change the fluff...
 

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I guess if I didn't want to use an airline I could use a powerhead? Is there any reason to use specifically use an airline instead of a powerhead? The setup is very similar to the way my old biocube worked. We put a more powerful power head in that to increase the circulation - and it did a decent job with mechanical filtration - actually it did a good job of it.
 

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Yes a power head would move much more water than an airline. I went air because I already had the air in the tanks and am trying to cut back on the electric bill. I had like 2 or 3 Hydros in each tank that I changed to this filter. I use one pipe on the small tanks and two or three pipes on the 55-gallon tanks.
 

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I think you could use a powerhead...although probably not with fry (a little too efficient)...

I don't like to use sponges (with lots of air or a powerhead) for mechanical because they're hard to clean without returning the gunk back to the tank.

Boxes work great to capture gunk in the water...in their filter fluff, which is really quick and easy to change (for me at least). I use gravel in them to weigh them down...which also adds a little bio capacity.

I use a similar combo of canisters (with a block of foam over the intake to keep gunk out) as bio filters and HOB (frequently cleaned) as mechanical filters. Of course both do both but keeping solid waste out of sponges / canisters means that they don't need to be cleaned as often.
 

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I do a lot of HOB with sponges over the intake. They're great for keeping the water clean, but, the trouble is, they always seem to get gunked up and stop working at the worst possible time for me to clean them. Except for a big tank/show tank or two, I'm planning to switch all my tanks to box filters and filter fluff. Even if they do get really gunked up, you can leave them til Saturday morning, which is better than having to deal with a clogged sponge over an intake at 9 pm after just getting home from work.

Beyond that, rinsing out a sponge can take a few minutes. Those can add up if you've got fifteen or more to rinse out.

And at the risk of repeating myself, emergent plants like pothos are great for taking ammonia out of the water. The combination of the two should make up for the HOB/sponge combination. (And in the case of multiple tanks, it should save electricity, too.)

I think you could use a powerhead...although probably not with fry (a little too efficient)...

I don't like to use sponges (with lots of air or a powerhead) for mechanical because they're hard to clean without returning the gunk back to the tank.

Boxes work great to capture gunk in the water...in their filter fluff, which is really quick and easy to change (for me at least). I use gravel in them to weigh them down...which also adds a little bio capacity.

I use a similar combo of canisters (with a block of foam over the intake to keep gunk out) as bio filters and HOB (frequently cleaned) as mechanical filters. Of course both do both but keeping solid waste out of sponges / canisters means that they don't need to be cleaned as often.
 
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Bob -

Plants are going to be a big part of the tank I create for the Electric Blue fry - I think I'll go for the philodendrom, java moss on the mattenfilter and some wood as well. I'm also thinking that dividing a 55g and using as a breeding/starter growout is the way to go. EB fry are notorious for dying for no apparent reason - I'm thinking that this idea of keeping the fry in the same water but apart from the parents might be a good idea. It also might make it easier to remove the eggs to the other side for hatching - from other people's experiences I've heard that first time JD parents have a habit of eating the first spawn of eggs.

Very cool - this setup takes care of several problems I was trying to work around!
 
Awesome job Mike. I want to see these in person. This is such an awesome way to filter a tank and keep the fry with the parents with minimal shock.
 

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Hi Stacy. I don't know why, but the pothos is doing a lot better for me than the philodendron is. Maybe it's because the tank the pothos is in is heated?

Bob -

Plants are going to be a big part of the tank I create for the Electric Blue fry - I think I'll go for the philodendrom, java moss on the mattenfilter and some wood as well. I'm also thinking that dividing a 55g and using as a breeding/starter growout is the way to go. EB fry are notorious for dying for no apparent reason - I'm thinking that this idea of keeping the fry in the same water but apart from the parents might be a good idea. It also might make it easier to remove the eggs to the other side for hatching - from other people's experiences I've heard that first time JD parents have a habit of eating the first spawn of eggs.

Very cool - this setup takes care of several problems I was trying to work around!
 

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Huh, did a google image search on the two. I believe what I actually have is a pothos not a philodedron. Cool.
 

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I was closing windows and my eye caught an intersting link...

http://merecat.org/home/when-houseplants-attack.html

For anyone who doesn't know... pothos will ruin your drywall if they are allowed to climb on your walls. I saw an extreme case of it last summer at the home of a friend of my daughters - when the girl's mom pulled the planter back to clean behind it she found a 3 food by 2 foot section of drywall was pocked and marred - when she pulled the plant off little chuncks of drywall came down!

I'd forgotten all about it until I saw that link!
 
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