Keeping multiple apistogramma species in the same tank

chris_todd

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I thought I'd post an update, since it's been a few weeks.

The cacatuoides that had laid eggs in the 90g had the eggs eaten; not sure if they were eaten by cories, discus, or rams (or maybe even snails?). Then they spawned again, this time on the inside of the pot. A couple of days later, I noticed our smallest discus (about 3" diameter body) squeezing its way into the pot, and then the eggs were gone. The apistos appear to have given up on that pot as a spawning location.

Today, I placed a new pot in the tank - one that I had purchased for use in my emersed plant setup, which has drainage holes in the sides as well as one in the bottom. I was looking at one of these and realized the holes were about the right size for an apisto, but way too small for a cory or a ram. So I took a file and smoothed the edges of the holes, and placed it in the 90g upside down. Within 5 minutes, the male was checking it out. Cool! I think they'll figure out pretty soon that this is a safe, secure place.

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I had previously moved the macmasteri pair into a 20 long, and they're doing fine, though I haven't seen a spawn yet. There's several cories and a lot of snails in that tank, so maybe they've eaten the eggs, I don't know.

I wasn't sure where to put the agassizis, since it was clear they were not getting along with the cacatuoides in the 90g. Then a post on the GWAPA forum from Bob (Sonny Disposition) made me realize I could house them in my emersed plant setup, if I raised up the pots a couple of inches. So they are now alone in that tank - a 40 breeder with about 6 inches of water (about 16 gallons). They seem happy:

The male was posing for me, which made it fairly easy to get a decent shot, even with my crappy point-n-shoot:
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The female and male together:
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A shot of the full setup, to give you an idea of what it's like. The potted plants had been sitting in about 3 inches of water. By raising the pots, I can still grow them emersed, but in about 6 inches of water, which gives me about 16 gallons.
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YSS

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By the way, what is the temp setting on your 90G? Looks great. Love to see full tank shots.
 

chris_todd

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By the way, what is the temp setting on your 90G? Looks great. Love to see full tank shots.

I keep it at about 80* F/26.7* C. I know some discus keepers keep it warmer, but this works well for me, all the fish seem happy and active, and the plants do well. It seems to be a real "Goldilocks" temperature - just about right.

I recently posted a thread on this tank with lots of pics on the GWAPA forum, so I won't repeat it here. Besides, you want to see the Discus, I'm sure, but they were skittish and hiding when I shot the pics for the GWAPA post. Nonetheless, here's the tank:

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Jumbie

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Nice Chris great pictures of you tank. I think the apistos are going to do great in their knew homes. Keep us updated on their breeding status.
 

chris_todd

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Nice Chris great pictures of you tank. I think the apistos are going to do great in their knew homes. Keep us updated on their breeding status.

Been about another two weeks, and I was doing some maintenance on the 90g tank last night (massive trim - the plants are simply going nuts!), so I thought I'd post an update.

Well, the cacatuoides 'orange flash' that are in the 90g never really took to the new pot I put in there, so I eventually removed it. I hadn't seen the female in maybe a week or two, and whenever I did see her, she always seemed to be hiding in the mass of plants in the back left.

Turns out, she must have been tending eggs she had laid around the plant stems and roots (I never saw them, despite looking pretty hard), because after I did some plant trimming last night, I saw her leading around about half a dozen fry, each maybe 1/4" long. I definitely counted at least six, there might be a few more, it was hard to tell. I only noticed this because I saw her come out of the plants to chase off one of the sterbai cories and I thought "WOW! Is she ever yellow!" (Seriously, she is almost as colorful and beautiful as the male).

So we'll see whether the cacatuoides female can protect the fry from the other fish in the tank (6 cories, 3 discus, 2 long-finned BN, and a german blue ram pair (I wish they would spawn!)).

Nothing to report from the macmasteri in the 20 long (who are now alone in the tank, except for snails, LOL), or from the agassizi in the emersed setup, though the macmasteri female seems to be coloring up a bit. The agassizi female doesn't come out often; I don't know if she's tending eggs or is just reclusive.

I have to admit, of the three pairs we got at aquafest, the macmasteri is my faovrite. They're not the most colorful or aggressive, but they always come right to the front of the tank whenever I walk up - they're becoming pets, LOL! They have a subtle and modest beauty about them that appeals to me.

On a separate note related to this tank, I'm excited that I'll be picking up some green neons and otocinclus from Rachel on Saturday that will eventually go in this tank...
 

Tony

Alligator Snapping Turtle/Past Pres
Awesome! Grats on the cacatuoides breeding, dude!

You're rapidly becoming an apisto pro. :)
 

chris_todd

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I was taking some pics earlier tonight to try to document the cacatuoides fry, and thought I'd post an update, especially since the Discus were posing for me, and because they look like they're getting ready to spawn (if I am reading the signs correctly, anyway).

Full tank shot:
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The Discus:
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One of the secretive (but very beautiful) long-finned bristlenose plecos I got from Rachel a few weeks back:
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The one cacatuoides fry I could get a pic of (not quite a half inch long):
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chris_todd

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nice! I wish I had the patience/lack of laziness for a fully planted tank.

I've learned a ton from the GWAPA folks, and I am by no means an expert (I've been doing planted tanks a little more than a year), but if you pick the right plants, and make the right choices for substrate/lights/etc., a tank like that can be relatively low maintenance.

For example, since setting it up at the end of September, I've done what you might call "plant maintenance" exactly twice. One time, it was because I decided the stem plants I had in there had to go, and another time, it was to remove an Amazon sword and some Cyperus helferi that were covered in black brush algae. Other than that, when I'm doing water changes, I might grab the scissors and cut off one or two of the larger sword leaves. And while I do add ferts, I just do it right after a water change (which I'm doing roughly twice a week).

Crypts, swords, and anubias, man, crypts, swords, and anubias. :)
 

danger_chicken

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I have two tanks with plants. One could be consider moderately planted but I do zero to this tank other than feed and net out shrimp and snails for feeders. Surprisingly the plants have done really well. The other is exterme low maintance plants anubias which is struggling with the fish eating it and a grassy plant I got from Rachel that I love.
 
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