Just Some Questions

DeeCee

Members
I barely know cichlids, let alone ALL the other fish out there. I say no to all other fish except cichlids (maybe catfish - but probably not). We are a cichlid club, we need to draw a line in the sand. There are other all species clubs out there, such as PVAS (which I am now a member). I joined CCA because it was a cichlid club and the emphasis of the club was toward cichlids. Did I mention we are a cichlid club![/b]

Ditto!!!!

I would imagine that it would take a pretty good and knowledgeable aquatic biologist to determine the accurate identity of all the endangered species out there. I think you guys should consider this. Keep it as simple to our club's general interest as possible.

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I vote for cichlids & cats & draw the line there. Yep, I always wanna push the line a leetle bit further out......... heh heh

What Francine? You don't like that CCCA name change? DANG! :happy0012: I guess everyone would either think we all stuttered badly or were sipping more than tank water............. Heee heee!
 

longstocking

Members
ok next issue I see... is how to re-work the catagories.

As Ron pointed out there are some duplicates. WHich I will go through and fix.

I also have some issues with what group some of the fish are in. Does anyone else have any issues with the catagories? Obviously I don't know every fish on the list. So I need help with this one. I've noticed some of the tangs for example are placed more on how easy they are to keep... not breed. Is this the case for some of the new worlds as well? I just noticed this with the tangs.

The biggest tang error I see is Petrochromis should be in the last catagroy... and the species of petrochromis that is listed in the last catagory should be in the seond to last catagory as it is considered one of the easiest of that genus. I'm going to consult Leigh and Julie on what they think as well.

Also... there are lots of new names.. if you know of a new name please post it here. I know most of the tangs.... but the others I'm lost.
 

longstocking

Members
Here are the catagories to make it a bit easier on everyone for referance.

CATEGORY A (10 Points)

NEW WORLD CICHLIDS

Aequidens sp. (the Blue and Green Acaras)
Archocentrus
Bujurquina sp.
Cichlasoma sp. (the Black Acaras)
Geophagus
Guinacara sp.
Gymnogeophagus
Herichthys
Herotilapia
Krobia sp.
Nannacara sp.
Neetroplus
Pterophyllum Pterophyllum altum- Should be 50 pts
Thorichthys There are at least 10 species. Which are more difficult? Do they go here or in the 20 pt category?

OLD WORLD

Astatoreaochromis
Chalinochromis
Chilotilapia
Cleithrochromis
Corematodus
Cynotilapia
Genyochromis
Gephyrochromis
Hemichromis
Hemihaplochromis *
Iodotropheus
Labidochromis
Labeotropheus
Lamprologus
Lethrinops
Lichnochromis
Melanochromis
Pelvicachromis
Pseudocrenilabrus
Petrotilapia
Pseudotropheus/Metriaclima (Maylandia)
Pundamillia
Telmatochromis thysia
Tilapia
Trematocranus

CATEGORY B (20 Points)

NEW WORLD

Cichlasoma Facetum
Amphilophus
Apistogramma
Astronatus
Cleithacara
Heros
Hypselecara
Laetacara
Mesonauta
Microgeophagus
Nannacara sp.
Nandopsis
Pterophyllum
Theraps
Thorichthys There are at least 10 species. Which are more difficult? Do they go here or in the 10 pt category?

OLD WORLD

Altolamprolgus
Aristochromis
Asprotilapia (My personal opinion ... they should be moved to catagory C )
Aulonocara
Aulonocranus
Callochromis
Cardiopharynx
Chalinochromis
Chromidotilapis
Copadochromis
Cyprichromis
Cyrtocara
Dimidiochromis
Diplotoxidon
Docimodus
Eretmodus
Etroplus maculates
Grammatotria
Sciaenochromis
Haplochromis bethicola
Haplochromis (Victorian*)
Haplochromis pfefferi
Julidochromis
Lamprologus (Neolamprolgus should be added)
Limnochromis
Limnotilapia
Nanochromis
Nimbochromis
Orthochromis
Otopharynx
Pelvicachromis
Placidochromis
Protomelas
Rhamphochromis
Spathodus
Steatocranus
Tanganicodus
Tylochromis
Xenotilapia (My personal opinion is they should be moved to catagory C)


CATEGORY C (30 Points)

NEW WORLD

Amphilophus
Apistogrammoides
Archocentrus
Batrachops
Caquetaia
Crenicara
Crenicichla
Geophagus
Gymnogeophagus
Herichthys
Nandopsis
Paraneetroplus
Petenia
Satanoperca
Symphysodon Symphysodon discus Heckel- should be a 50 pt fish
Taeniacara
Teleocichla
Theraps
Thorichthys callolepis
Tomocichla
Uaru

OLD WORLD

Astatotilapia piceatus
Buccochromis
Champsochromis
Ctenochromis
Cunningtonia
Cyphotilapia
Ectodus
Enantiopus
Etroplus suratensis
Fossorochromis
Hemibates stenosoma
Lamprologus (duplicate)
Lastredea
Lamprologus (all riverine)
Limnochromis
Lipochromis
Lobochilotes
Petrochromis (moved to catagory D)
Serranochromis
Simochromis
Trematocara
Triglachromis
Tropheus
Tyrannochromis

CATEGORY D (50 Points)

NEW WORLD

Acarichthys heckelii
Acaronia sp.
Biotecus sp.
Biotodoma sp.
Chaetobranchopsis sp.
Chaetobranchus sp.
Hoplarchus psittacus (not the orange monstrosity!)
Retroculus sp.
Satanoperca

OLD WORLD

Benthochromis
Boulengerochromis
Cyathopharynx furcifer
Lamprologus sexfascitus (blue)
Haplotaxodon
Ophthalmochromis
Perissodus
Petrochromis trewavasae (Moved to catagory C)
Reganochromis (I think it should be moved to the C catagory)
 

mscichlid

Founder
The convicts and the Jack Dempsey now have be reclassed per TFH and BB.

It is hard to classify the fish according to an aquarist being able to breed. Some folks can keep Apistos, for example, but for some reason can't get them to breed. On the same hand, Some folks can't keep Apistos alive. Also, you base the list on someone who has a lot of breeding experience with a particular species vs. the average aquarist?

Here is one place that I think stays pretty current. http://cichlidae.com/gallery/default.php

There has to be other sources for up to date species lists. Our list, by the way, was taken from other clubs almost 7 yrs ago.
 

mscichlid

Founder
Altum angels would not be a 10 pt fish, neither would a Heckle discus be a 30 pointer. I think Category D should also include exceptional species.

What do y'all think?
 

longstocking

Members
I'm basing my opinion on hobbyists opinion... not just mine. I won't just change things because I think they should be... that would be wrong. I'll consult known breeders and more than just 1.

That's why I'm also asking you guys.... so your opinion counts.
 

longstocking

Members
I agree on the altum and heckles... no question about that one :) I don't think I need to ask other people on that... it's a give in.
 
Good reference Franny. Hmm, another reason to limit our program to just cichlids. The new lists are enormous. :confused0083:
 

longstocking

Members
OK I've bred a few malawi fish... I don't view them as that hard to breed... but I'm open to opinions on them as well.
 

marge618

CCA member
I'm working on some ideas. Love to hear everyones thoughts on how to get this going and what to change. I'd like to work on the list... maybe include catfish depending on what everyone wants.

Checking the fry.... you can bring them to the meeting :) I've done that before... then put them in the auction. You don't have to put them in the auction though. You can take them home as well. Just so someone sees them.[/b]

So how old, how big, how many... is there a way to get to the meat of this if you only have fry....and don't know how to do the computations for the rules...

Can I show my friend/ fellow member my fry... if there are 3 or more does that compute to 'the fry are alive and lived 60 days'... :confused0024:
Later,
Marge
 

maddog10

Members
A large number of Malawi fish are easy to breed. Some are harder simply because they need large tanks and really need to be settled in - similar to some of the Tangs.
 

JustRon

Members
Labeotropheus = 10

add

Pundamillia = 20

remove caveat for "all but 2 are Haps..."

I still think all cats could be in one category and for 10 points. Many of our club activities have catfish involved, now would be a poor time to exclude them from club activitites.
 

mscichlid

Founder
<div class='quotemain'>I'm working on some ideas. Love to hear everyones thoughts on how to get this going and what to change. I'd like to work on the list... maybe include catfish depending on what everyone wants.

Checking the fry.... you can bring them to the meeting :) I've done that before... then put them in the auction. You don't have to put them in the auction though. You can take them home as well. Just so someone sees them.[/b]

So how old, how big, how many... is there a way to get to the meat of this if you only have fry....and don't know how to do the computations for the rules...

Can I show my friend/ fellow member my fry... if there are 3 or more does that compute to 'the fry are alive and lived 60 days'... :confused0024:
Later,
Marge
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Marge the requirements are:
Rule #5. For Category A (fish with a point value of 10), at least 6 fry must be raised for 60 days after hatching, or release of fry in the case of mouth brooders. If the fish is in Category B, C, or D (point values of 20, 35, or 50, respectively), 3 fry must be raised to 60 days. Which in all honesty, seems incredibly low.

The fry's size is species dependent; however, fry grow relatively fast with good food and water changes.

Marge read the rules over and over until you get it. It does seem daunting at times. I even have to read them over and over sometimes.

HTH
 

longstocking

Members
Not to distract from re-doing the catagories as the committee and I really need help with it.

I was readnig over another clubs rules. They had a pretty good idea I think. First person in the club to breed a species gets an extra 5 points. This promotes bringing new and different fish into the area and club. This could also help jump start this.
 

Spine

Members
Not to distract from re-doing the catagories as the committee and I really need help with it.

I was readnig over another clubs rules. They had a pretty good idea I think. First person in the club to breed a species gets an extra 5 points. This promotes bringing new and different fish into the area and club. This could also help jump start this.[/b]
I second that idea Sarah, it sounds pretty good. I don't have any experience with BAP so I think I'll just volunteer to take photo's. I think this will be good on the job training for me since I just got a camera.
 

longstocking

Members
Check this link out... Ohio looks like they are pretty up to date.

http://www.ohiocichlid.com/bapcichlid.html

A few things I would tweak though.

Francine... the reason it was probably set that low in the first place was that there are a few Tang fish that have incredibily low numbers of fry. 4 and 5 isn't unusual for a hand full of them. They are considered the harder to breed fish from lake tang.
 

mscichlid

Founder
Not to distract from re-doing the catagories as the committee and I really need help with it.

I was readnig over another clubs rules. They had a pretty good idea I think. First person in the club to breed a species gets an extra 5 points. This promotes bringing new and different fish into the area and club. This could also help jump start this.[/b]

So Marya and Pat's Breeder Awards won't count anymore?
 

longstocking

Members
Of course they would. They will get 5 extra points though for each species that hadn't been bred before.

Along with all my points and a few other people that I know have turned in forms. I just need to get a hold of the forms so I can get updated on the standings.
 

Pat Kelly

CCA Member
:confused0054: Okay, I work on a little project at home for a couple of days and this thread explodes. Wow.



 
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