Just Some Questions

JustRon

JustRon

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Right now I see a few duplicates on the point lists, i.e. Labeotropheus at both 10 and 20 points, there are others.....

What about having the catfish on the list as well?
 
mscichlid

mscichlid

Founder
Yes I think our Breeders Program is due for revision because of duplication of some of the species and there have been, or soon to be, name changes for some species. I think it would have to be a board decision to include catfish for points as we are a cichlid club. Perhaps the catfish could get substantually less points or something. Maybe we could have an all other species study group under the aspicies of CCA? :)

Nevertheless the board and club members will have to make efforts to ramp up the program. I don't know if Steve Lufgren is still willing to do any of it as he has been to fewer meetings this past year.

I think our biggest problem has been the lack of members willing to check the spawns. Any ideas on how to get around that?
 
longstocking

longstocking

Members
I'm working on some ideas. Love to hear everyones thoughts on how to get this going and what to change. I'd like to work on the list... maybe include catfish depending on what everyone wants.

Checking the fry.... you can bring them to the meeting :) I've done that before... then put them in the auction. You don't have to put them in the auction though. You can take them home as well. Just so someone sees them.
 
mscichlid

mscichlid

Founder
I'm working on some ideas. Love to hear everyones thoughts on how to get this going and what to change. I'd like to work on the list... maybe include catfish depending on what everyone wants.

Checking the fry.... you can bring them to the meeting :) I've done that before... then put them in the auction. You don't have to put them in the auction though. You can take them home as well. Just so someone sees them.[/b]
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Part of the requirement to get points is to put the determined amount of juvies per species in the auction. Of course, that stipulation was necessary to have items to auction.

I think that we should announce who gets BAP points at the meetings. The member would have to have a previously checked spawn to show at the meeting to get the points. Like you said, then the member could choose to put the fish in the mini-auction or take them home. Or if the species is extremely rare, we could have a silent audtion table, too.
 
phishphorphun

phishphorphun

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I'm new to this, but wouldn't a photograph of the fry quantify and qualify the hatch? Rather than having to bring the juvies to an auction, wouldn't the photo provide a successful spawn? Is the program designed to provide more fish for the auction, or to reward successful spawns? I'm just curious because, as I said in the opening, I'm new to this. :confused0007:
 
maddog10

maddog10

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I'm new to this, but wouldn't a photograph of the fry quantify and qualify the hatch? Rather than having to bring the juvies to an auction, wouldn't the photo provide a successful spawn? Is the program designed to provide more fish for the auction, or to reward successful spawns? I'm just curious because, as I said in the opening, I'm new to this. :confused0007: [/b]
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This goes back to stealing photos, not saying anyone in the club would do so. I could find a picture of some fry on the web and then claim it is mine and get the points. I agree it is a pretty low thing to do (but I like to win)! :p
 
longstocking

longstocking

Members
Well, an idea was proposed to have the first check by photo... then the second check all you have to do is bring the fish in to the meeting (not up for auction). Someone has to see the fish at some point.

The committee will work all this out so it works best for the club members. But any new ideas would be great to hear !
 
phishphorphun

phishphorphun

Members
:smashfreakB: You gotta be kiddin' Mike. Nuthin' to do with stealing photos. But, I guess there are a few fools out there that would use a photo of someone else's fry to get an award point. Never mind, I'll stay away from this contest. :rolleyes:
 
maddog10

maddog10

Members
Of course I wouldn't do it.

All you have to do is get Pat (or some other member) to come over and see the fry and parents in your tanks. He then signs off on your BAP form. Usually we want to get rid of our fry anyway, so the auction is a good place for them. Another option is to write a small article for the Biotope to describe what you did to get the fish to breed, doesn't have to be anything special. You could just list observed breeding behavior, water parameters and give a description of the tank decor (plus a picture for the Biotope would be nice as well).

I have been staying out of it, because no one wanted to come to my house to see the fish. However, there is a guy that lives in my town that can check my fish for me.
 
Pat Kelly

Pat Kelly

CCA Member
I would think a picture for the first check and then either bringing them to the meeting for a check or having some one come to the house for the second one would be good.

The idea is to get people to spawn multiple types of fish. You do not have to put them in the auction to get points, but I think that there is a section that states you get extra points for those fish if you sell some at the auction and more points if you write an article about them. Each of these helps support other areas of the club. But the main reason is not to get the auctions up. Besides I think we would not want to sell spawns when they are too young.

As it states now, you have to have someone come to your house 2 times to get your points. Thats just too hard to do with the way we are spread out and the price of gas. Where a picture for the first one would be good and then someone comes to the house for the second or you bring to the meeting with your form and show them. Then its up to you if you want to sell or take them home.
Just my thoughts.
 
phishphorphun

phishphorphun

Members
Another option is to write a small article for the Biotope to describe what you did to get the fish to breed, doesn't have to be anything special. You could just list observed breeding behavior, water parameters and give a description of the tank decor (plus a picture for the Biotope would be nice as well).

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I really like this scenario. Maybe offer 'bonus' points for an article (may already be in the rules). Sure could provide more articles that we are looking for. Great idea Mike (even though you may be a photo thief of new born fry :winking0011: )
 
DeeCee

DeeCee

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I definitely think it makes more sense to accept photos of young fry. I'd hate to lose young fry just because I was trying to bring them to a meeting. Heck, I'm new enough at cichlid raising that I'd probably kill small fry - I know I wouldn't trust myself to not cause them harm in one way or another. So I'd either end up killing fry or not getting BAP points. And I'll tell ya - if someone had to drive over here every time we had some new fry.......we'd sure have alot of company! There's alot of fry in those tanks right now (yes I'm bragging HA HA!)
Pictures are definitely better. Yes, I know that there's always the possibility that someone will fake things - either by claiming fry is a different species/type, or stealing someone else's pictures. Maybe it would be a good idea to work it so that the pictures of the fry include the parents in the shot if possible?
 
longstocking

longstocking

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A picture of the parents and the fry seems to be a way to go. Not that the parents need to be in the same shot though.. as some fish don't take that good of care of the fry. This is only for the first check when they are small. The second check the fish need to be actually seen by someone. That's where bringing the fish to the meeting comes in.... they are older than 60 days at that point.

Another idea I had was to give bonus points to any fish on the red list. I need to get the list(link) from Ron though.
 
longstocking

longstocking

Members
Obviously we also need to come up with an alternative option for people without cameras. My thoughts are any member of the CCA can be a checker... so pick the closest person to you and ask them to come over. Like Pat said... with the price of gas, I can't ask the committee to be running all over Maryland.

If you do have a camera.. the shots do not have to be that good just some what recognizable.

Again these are just ideas at this point. If there is a better option I'm open to it !
 
A

Apexpredator

Members
I havent participated thus far, despite the rare fish I breed, because I cannot make it to meetings and do not have a regular work schedule.

Pictures might be a great way to allow people like me to actually participate. Lord knows my basement is crawling with fry.
 
C

cyradis4

Members
I like the idea of a pic first check then bringing them to the meeting or have someone come over.

An idea: Extra points for photo/descriptions of the fry development over time. In other words, from the time of the spawn basically every day a photo posted with a description? Perhaps to prevent photo theft to go the photo option you need to show two or three photos at different points.....

And I love the idea of extra points for red listed or endangered species.

Another suggestion: points for ANY fish red listed, whether cichlid or not.

Amanda.
 
longstocking

longstocking

Members
Leigh... I can come over from time to time if you want to participate in this. Not a big deal at all... since I know you can't make it to meetings. Plus you are only 10 min. from me.

If anyone does not want to post the pics on-line you can always e-mail or pm any committe member... so everyone doesn't see the shots. I know my fry tanks don't look the best... scratches all over the place and lots of algae for the fry to munch on. Just another idea. But, I don't think anyone will care what people fry tanks look like... I promise I won't judge at least :)

I'm still working on who the committe is though :)

I'm trying to make this as simple as posible for the committe and the members... so we can finally get this going !! WOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I'm excited at least ! :party0006: :jumping0045: :character0272: :jumpy:
 
maddog10

maddog10

Members
Here is what I think.

Cichlids and Catfish only (although i would rather see it as cichlids only)
Photo emailed to a committee member or an approved checker for the 1st check is fine (photo can be posted to the forum to announce a spawn, but not used as a check)
2nd check must be by a committee member or approved checker either at the persons home or at a club meeting
BAP form must be completed; for 1st check you could write "Photo sent to ?"; 2nd check must be signed by checker
10 extra points for article published in Biotope
25 extra points for article published in BB or national magazine
25 extra points for endangered/redlist fish

A lot of what is already in the rules will work
 
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