Feelings on aquarium salt

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dogofwar said:
I'm sorry but that makes no sense (beyond the placebo effect)...

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Uh, the fish would have to be aware of the salt in order for it to qualify as a "placebo effect".

Not taking a stand here but it wouldn't be surprising if salt has some sort of inhibitive effect on certain pathogens, actually be more surprising if it didn't given it's efficacy in higher concentrations.
 
londonloco

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Never use it. The few times I've had an ick outbreak, I use aquasoil. For tattered fins I use Melafix. Worms, I call a friend of mine and get some Fenbo food. This works for me.
 
hotwingz

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This has became an interesting and fact filled debate! Ha

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mchambers

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Placebo effect

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Uh, the fish would have to be aware of the salt in order for it to qualify as a "placebo effect".

Not taking a stand here but it wouldn't be surprising if salt has some sort of inhibitive effect on certain pathogens, actually be more surprising if it didn't given it's efficacy in higher concentrations.
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Perhaps dogofwar meant the placebo effect on the fish keeper!
 
JLW

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The amount of salt that most of us add to the aquariums isn't enough to have any effect on pathogens whatsoever. It also is generally not enough to harm more sensitive fish. It basically does nothing one way or the other.

Heavier dosing can kill off sensitive fish and plants, but it has to get really out of hand before you'll start effecting pathogens.

Keep the salt where it belongs: on the dining room table, not in the fish tank (for freshwater, anyhow. ;)
 
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JLW said:
The amount of salt that most of us add to the aquariums isn't enough to have any effect on pathogens whatsoever.
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And you know this because of...? Sorry, but that's just not true. Imagine what you like, but at the cellular/microbial level, the salt is very much "in play". The effect may be negligible from your perspective, but all the same it has effects, however slight.

A placebo is a simulated or otherwise medically ineffectual treatment for a disease or other medical condition intended to deceive the recipient. Doesn't generally apply to the administrator of the treatment but I take your meaning.
 
Hawkman2000

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And you know this because of...? Sorry, but that's just not true. Imagine what you like, but at the cellular/microbial level, the salt is very much "in play". The effect may be negligible from your perspective, but all the same it has effects, however slight.
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Completely agree. I use Seachem American Cichlid salt. Highly concentrated. 1/16 teaspoon per 5g. I have had the same container for almost a year and still have 1/4 left. It also adds other minerals. I have asked the question in the past - why don't any of the species profiles show the salinity levels for the fish? I would think that some of them could get a bit higher than others. I also noticed a bit of a color differance in my fish when I started using it.

Use it, don't use it, Its all good as long as our miniture extensions of ourselves are OK.
 
hotwingz

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Ya i agree that salinity levels for each fish would be useful knowledge. Because natural water has a small small amount of salinity. But at the same time not enough that tank raised fish (like the fish i have) will know the differance. If it was wild caught i could see all that more important, along with exact ph.

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dogofwar

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I've heard of (brief) freshwater dips (for saltwater fish) and saltwater dips for freshwater fish to remove parasites... but that's different than adding salt to the water as a "tonic"...

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dogofwar

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It either works...or it doesn't.

It's not up to you (You) whether it has beneficial effects on the fish.

Orange juice has vitamin C and other essential vitamins. Let's say the captain of a ship gives each of his sailors a glass of juice each day to ward off scurvy. The juice works because it has vitamin C. And not because the captain wants it to work...

If that were the case, he could give his sailors salt water to ward off scurvy and it would work :unsure:

Matt

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It really depends on You.

If you like to use some, it will help scientifically, but you do not have to use.

It is Your choice

Just like either drinking a cup of orange juice in the morning or not.

It helps you, but you don't have to drink.
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wlsgmfr123

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I was talking about that it is his/her choice that putting some salts .

Not that effectiveness of salt depends on him/her.

Isn't it so obvious?

And we don't use the term Placebo Effect to something has effectiveness

You are making an unnecessary conflict. I won't response.

And, yes English is not my first language. Grow up please.
 
dogofwar

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Sorry if I came off as argumentative ...I'm just trying to understand whether there is any actual evidence of the beneficial effects of salt on fish health (vs. opinon, conjecture and feelings)...

Matt

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What don't you understand?

I don't understand that you don't understand that :confused:
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