WIKILEAKS

UNCLERUCKUS

"THE ALL POWERFUL Q !!
JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY I WANTED TO SEE WHAYT EVERYONE FELT ABOUT THIS DOUCHE BAG THAT LETS OUT DIPLOMATIC INTEL. :angry3:
I UNDERSTAND FREEDOM OF SPEECH BUT THAT GOES OT THE WINDOW WHEN YOU START PUTTING PEOPLES LIVES IN DANGER FOR YOUR OWN PERSONAL KICKS. THIS GUY IS DOING MORE DAMAGE THEN YOU CAN IMAGINE. I READ OVER THE WEEKEND WHERE CLINTON WAS SNUBBED WHEN SHE WENT TO SPEAK TO A FOREIGN DIGNITARY AS SHE TRIED TO SPEEK TO HIM. HE TURNED HIS BACK AND WALKED AWAY.
 

Prince

The ONE who is The ONE
with his last stunt someone like Jason Borne or Casey from Chuck will be paying him a visit soon. It's sad that the only thing he accomplished was destabilizing world politics even more. He is in my favorite Aunts words a "Jerka--!"
 

Prince

The ONE who is The ONE
Free speech can't be free, apparently.

No free speech is free but it comes with responsibility. Assange is and has been very irresponsible. From his previous career as a hacker. To his latest exploits. What has he done to make anything in this world better absolutely nothing. The only thing he has done was sow more distrust in US and further destabilize world politics by releasing documents he had no claim to. And that's not the cop speaking that's the son of a Black Panther, Muslim and grand son of a civil rights worker. I understand the need for uprising and protest but what he doing ain't it.
 

iamzrad

Members
No free speech is free but it comes with responsibility. Assange is and has been very irresponsible. From his previous career as a hacker. To his latest exploits. What has he done to make anything in this world better absolutely nothing. The only thing he has done was sow more distrust in US and further destabilize world politics by releasing documents he had no claim to. And that's not the cop speaking that's the son of a Black Panther, Muslim and grand son of a civil rights worker. I understand the need for uprising and protest but what he doing ain't it.

So public documents can't be public? I understand information has to be classified to protect itself and others, but if it's made public, that kinda hurts the law more than the people.

Recently, the Library of Congress blocked Wikileaks on all its computers and databases. Yet the Congressional Research Service is a part of the Library of Congress. How can government employees that work for CRS do research about Wikileaks to warn the public if they cannot access the information to which the site has been revoked?
Plus, government agencies warned its employees about the site and to be careful accessing it. Yet, the Library of Congress is the only government agency (so far) that has banned the site.
 

UNCLERUCKUS

"THE ALL POWERFUL Q !!
Free speech can't be free, apparently.

ITS NOT FREE BY ANY MEANS. MUCH BLOOD HAS BEEN SHED TO AFFORD US THESE FREEDOMS. WHAT THIS GUY HAS DONE IS JEAPORDIZE THE LIVES OF AMERICANS HOME AND ABROAD ALONG WITH FOREIGNERS WHO WERE WORKING FOR OR WITH THE UNITED STATES AND HER INTRESTS. ITS ONE THING TO SHARE EXPENSE ACCOUNTS BUT ITS QUITE ANOTHER TO DO WHAT THIS S.O.B. HAS DONE.
 

emartin

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So public documents can't be public? I understand information has to be classified to protect itself and others, but if it's made public, that kinda hurts the law more than the people.

Recently, the Library of Congress blocked Wikileaks on all its computers and databases. Yet the Congressional Research Service is a part of the Library of Congress. How can government employees that work for CRS do research about Wikileaks to warn the public if they cannot access the information to which the site has been revoked?
Plus, government agencies warned its employees about the site and to be careful accessing it. Yet, the Library of Congress is the only government agency (so far) that has banned the site.

The documents were never public to begin with. They were candid and confidential cables between diplomats and embassies from the 1960s to present day.

Plus, freedom of speech does not apply here. Julian Assange and Bradley Manning were not exercising free speech, because it was not THEIR speech. That would be like saying that printing an illegal copy of a newly released book and trying to sell it, and then when you get arrested you try to claim your 1st amendment rights were violated. If they were diplomats that authored the cables, and they leaked them because they felt it was morally right (or whatever reason you can think of), that is a different story because freedom of speech can apply there since they would have been the authors.

But, leaking classified cables....especially ones containing such sensitive information on foreign relations and foreign policies, is illegal and not protected by freedom of speech.

Also, the reason the Library of Congress blocked the website was because despite the cables being leaked they are still classified, and government employees are forbidden to read such documents without proper authorization/rank. Any federal government employee that reads those documents risks losing their job.

And it doesn't matter if the LOC is the only agency that blocked the website so far. I'm sure the Fed is more worried about stopping the leaks from destroying foreign relations (and getting people killed, tortured, imprisoned, or even starting wars) than their employees accessing the website.

I'm personally all for transparent government, and while I personally do not like our nation's foreign policy I am deeply infuriated that this leak was allowed to happen. It's one thing to leak videos like WikiLeaks did earlier this year, but to have blatant disregard for global security is grossly irresponsible.

If WikiLeaks wanted to be a legitimate media outlet, and to provide this information to the public, they should've refrained from publicly releasing the leaks and instead only provide them to newspapers and other respected media outlets for them to analyze and publish articles summarizing the information in the leaks. At the very least they should've removed all names (aside from government officials) of civilians and soldiers from the leaked materials...which they did not do.

What's even more disturbing is the sheer stupidity of the primary suspect of the leaks Bradley Manning. This was a low-ranking member of the armed forces that got access to the now-leaked files, was undetected when he was downloading the information and removing it from the government's servers, and then was stupid enough to brag about it online (which if he didn't do that (bragging), he probably would not have been caught). Now he's likely going to be tried for treason and imprisoned for the rest of his life unless some miracle happens for him in the court martial trials.
 

minifoot77

Members
as a marine i say he should burn and as a red blooded American i say we should put a very large bounty on his head and film it for the entertainment :)
 

emartin

Members
What bothers me now are the people railing against Amazon and Paypal for dropping their services for WikiLeaks. They are private companies and have every right to do so, and since WikiLeaks is now part of criminal probe they have to cooperate with authorities (even though both companies dropped their services for wikileaks based on their own terms of use policies being violated).

I even tried looking for a contact form on Amazon.com to send them an email commending them for taking that action but Amazon removed it probably because they were getting mass-emailed with hate mail.

What I find completely ridiculous is how many people falsely believe that freedom of speech applies to private businesses. Any private business reserves the right to censor themselves. Freedom of speech ONLY protects you from persecution from the government, and that's only if you are actually exercising that freedom (versus illegally leaking documents that were stolen from the government, which is not an example of freedom of speech. That's an example of treason, espionage, theft, and stupidity).


Like I said earlier, I am all for taking steps to make government more transparent. But WikiLeaks's reckless behavior will, I fear, be the end of them. It's a shame too, because up until this year they were a pretty cool organization that only (or mostly) leaked documents depicting human rights abuses.
 

emartin

Members
WikiLeaks just gave terrorists a target list of locations to bomb:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/12/06/wikileaks/index.html?hpt=Sbin

CNN said:
State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said the disclosure "gives a group like al Qaeda a targeting list." The sites are included in a lengthy cable the State Department sent in February 2009 to its posts around the world, asking American diplomats to identify installations overseas "whose loss could critically impact the public health, economic security, and/or national and homeland security of the United States."

The diplomats identified dozens of places on every continent, including mines, manufacturing complexes, ports and research establishments. CNN is not publishing specific details from the list, which refers to pipelines and undersea telecommunications cables as well as the location of minerals or chemicals critical to U.S. industry.

The list also mentions dams close to the U.S. border and a telecommunications hub whose destruction might seriously disrupt global communications. Diplomats also identified sites of strategic importance for supplying U.S. forces and interests abroad, such as in the Strait of Hormuz, the Persian Gulf and the Panama Canal.

The cable is classified secret and not for review by non-U.S. personnel.

The United States and Great Britain condemned the disclosure.

"There are strong and valid reasons for classifying vital information, including the identification of critical infrastructure that is important to not only our society and economy, but those of other countries," Crowley said Monday.

"Without discussing any particular cable, the release of this kind of information gives a group like al Qaeda a targeting list," he said. "This is why we have condemned WikiLeaks for what it has done."
 

Prince

The ONE who is The ONE
The documents were never public to begin with. They were candid and confidential cables between diplomats and embassies from the 1960s to present day.

Plus, freedom of speech does not apply here. Julian Assange and Bradley Manning were not exercising free speech, because it was not THEIR speech. That would be like saying that printing an illegal copy of a newly released book and trying to sell it, and then when you get arrested you try to claim your 1st amendment rights were violated. If they were diplomats that authored the cables, and they leaked them because they felt it was morally right (or whatever reason you can think of), that is a different story because freedom of speech can apply there since they would have been the authors.

But, leaking classified cables....especially ones containing such sensitive information on foreign relations and foreign policies, is illegal and not protected by freedom of speech.

Also, the reason the Library of Congress blocked the website was because despite the cables being leaked they are still classified, and government employees are forbidden to read such documents without proper authorization/rank. Any federal government employee that reads those documents risks losing their job.

And it doesn't matter if the LOC is the only agency that blocked the website so far. I'm sure the Fed is more worried about stopping the leaks from destroying foreign relations (and getting people killed, tortured, imprisoned, or even starting wars) than their employees accessing the website.

I'm personally all for transparent government, and while I personally do not like our nation's foreign policy I am deeply infuriated that this leak was allowed to happen. It's one thing to leak videos like WikiLeaks did earlier this year, but to have blatant disregard for global security is grossly irresponsible.

If WikiLeaks wanted to be a legitimate media outlet, and to provide this information to the public, they should've refrained from publicly releasing the leaks and instead only provide them to newspapers and other respected media outlets for them to analyze and publish articles summarizing the information in the leaks. At the very least they should've removed all names (aside from government officials) of civilians and soldiers from the leaked materials...which they did not do.

What's even more disturbing is the sheer stupidity of the primary suspect of the leaks Bradley Manning. This was a low-ranking member of the armed forces that got access to the now-leaked files, was undetected when he was downloading the information and removing it from the government's servers, and then was stupid enough to brag about it online (which if he didn't do that (bragging), he probably would not have been caught). Now he's likely going to be tried for treason and imprisoned for the rest of his life unless some miracle happens for him in the court martial trials.

Exactly what I wanted to say.
 

Andrewtfw

Global Moderators
Ed- I like how you explained everything from a legal and third party standpoint. Too often, we let our emotions get the best of us and pass deeply opinionated statements as fact. The fact is that the information that was delivered to the public was not in the publics best interest because it was not public information. Some people made a decision that they may have thought was for everyone's benefit when it was not. These people should and will be held accountable for their error in judgement. Our judicial system is effective in this respect... where it falls short is where black ops come in. :)
 

cmcpart0422

Members
It amazes me what people will say and then defend it with free speech. The way I see it these people are leaking information just for recognition and reactions. I view them as terrorists.
 

Tony

Alligator Snapping Turtle/Past Pres
The documents were never public to begin with. They were candid and confidential cables between diplomats and embassies from the 1960s to present day.

Plus, freedom of speech does not apply here. Julian Assange and Bradley Manning were not exercising free speech, because it was not THEIR speech. That would be like saying that printing an illegal copy of a newly released book and trying to sell it, and then when you get arrested you try to claim your 1st amendment rights were violated. If they were diplomats that authored the cables, and they leaked them because they felt it was morally right (or whatever reason you can think of), that is a different story because freedom of speech can apply there since they would have been the authors.

But, leaking classified cables....especially ones containing such sensitive information on foreign relations and foreign policies, is illegal and not protected by freedom of speech.

Also, the reason the Library of Congress blocked the website was because despite the cables being leaked they are still classified, and government employees are forbidden to read such documents without proper authorization/rank. Any federal government employee that reads those documents risks losing their job.

And it doesn't matter if the LOC is the only agency that blocked the website so far. I'm sure the Fed is more worried about stopping the leaks from destroying foreign relations (and getting people killed, tortured, imprisoned, or even starting wars) than their employees accessing the website.

I'm personally all for transparent government, and while I personally do not like our nation's foreign policy I am deeply infuriated that this leak was allowed to happen. It's one thing to leak videos like WikiLeaks did earlier this year, but to have blatant disregard for global security is grossly irresponsible.

If WikiLeaks wanted to be a legitimate media outlet, and to provide this information to the public, they should've refrained from publicly releasing the leaks and instead only provide them to newspapers and other respected media outlets for them to analyze and publish articles summarizing the information in the leaks. At the very least they should've removed all names (aside from government officials) of civilians and soldiers from the leaked materials...which they did not do.

What's even more disturbing is the sheer stupidity of the primary suspect of the leaks Bradley Manning. This was a low-ranking member of the armed forces that got access to the now-leaked files, was undetected when he was downloading the information and removing it from the government's servers, and then was stupid enough to brag about it online (which if he didn't do that (bragging), he probably would not have been caught). Now he's likely going to be tried for treason and imprisoned for the rest of his life unless some miracle happens for him in the court martial trials.

Well put, Ed. I can't agree with you more sir.
 

TKC7

Members
Just my 2 cents: Assange is known as someone who is arrogant and looks down on people. Need we really say more than that to know how worthless a person he is?
 
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