Sick Yellow tail Acei

frankoq

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This guy started to just hang at one spot and not move much.
I just moved him to the quarantine tank. I put Melafix but have no clue what this is or how to treat it. Any ideas? Thanks in advance.

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Localzoo

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He looks like my cons after they breed and get into squabbles. are there any other signs symptoms or behavior? Who was he housed with before?


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Localzoo

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He was in a 180 with 35 mixed mbuna, peacocks, haps. Aggression has been very low. This guy is peaceful and I never saw anyone picking on him.


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Could have been a one time thing or a chase/play fight turned wrong. Especially if he's coloring up and showing more confidence. Doesn't look too bad just feed him well (helps provide nutrients to heal)and keep the water clean so no infection sets in.


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Localzoo

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Ok. I'll keep him in the hospital tank for now. If fungus or some skin condition, melafix? Or what else?

He has this white stuff on both sides.


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I've kept my guys in water with extract from tea tree, banana leaves, and or any natural remedy.
try keeping the salt level up.

Is the white stuff flowing and stringy or does it look like shredded scale and or flesh(resembling a bite) remember the teeth from Malawi's vary but most will leave damage that looks like sand paper type effect. But that's a whole other topic.

Check to see if things have changed in a day or two


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frankoq

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Did you ever figure out what it is ??

Not really.
He is still in the QT tank.
The white stuff looked like something on the skin versus bite marks.
I see less of it now on him.
I've been dosing salt and melafix.
I'll try to take a pic tomorrow with more light.
 

Localzoo

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Not really.
He is still in the QT tank.
The white stuff looked like something on the skin versus bite marks.
I see less of it now on him.
I've been dosing salt and melafix.
I'll try to take a pic tomorrow with more light.

K cool it def sounds like multiple bites but ill wait to say so until the pic


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olzkool

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I don't think its bites guys. I have the same thing going on in one of my tanks. Those pics look almost exactly how my fish started. It is slow progressing and even slower if you are doing salt dips. The salt and Melafix in a hospital tank definitely slowed it down for me. But it kept coming back. They would get seemingly better, then go down hill fast. I have lost a yellow lab, a travasae, and a daktari. Right now I have a williamsi and a hara with it. they are in hospital tanks getting treated as we speak. I'm pretty sure it's a parasite I got from a travasae I got at petsmart. I know better but I was there getting worms for my turtles and seen him. 2 weeks later I went in and all the cichlid tanks are marked nfs/sick. At first I thought it was bites. It started as spots that looked like they had been beaten up. They were immediately quarantined. Then it turned to a white haze all over the fish. They got it one by one. Each fish progressed differently. The lab started showing what looked to be bleeding under the skin near the tail. Then fins started eroding, followed by heavy breathing, no eating , etc. then death. The travasae same type thing but eventually lost his entire tail and started losing flesh. At that point I euthanized him. The Williamsi just had clamped fins and is now in the stage of looking white all over with virtually no color. He is going down hill fast. The hara started with looked like white stuff on his gills and head very similar to your acei, and what looked to be a bite and ulcer on the gill area. Reading different stuff on the net, symptoms covered a bunch of stuff. I tried kanamycin, myricin 2, pimafix, and melafix on all of them. The best thing that helped was salt dips every night. It has definitely slowed the progression in the last 2. A couple days ago I finally think i nailed it. After hours of late night net time I found a parasite called costia that fit. All the pics and symptoms looked like what I have. I separated the hara and treated him with what little copper I had left. He has shown a marked improvement over the Williamsi. Even if its not Costia, the Hara has definitely responded to the copper better than anything else. Since I have the fish separated using all the same treatments other than the Copper, and only the one with copper is improving, I am headed to the Lfs to get some more tomorrow. I just hope its not too late.
 
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olzkool

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If this works I am considering dosing the main tank to prevent anyone else from getting it. No one else is showing symptoms right now, but I have to think it is just a matter of time. Does anyone have any experience with using copper to treat a large tank.? I am a little nervous about it as I have read it could be very dangerous.
 

olzkool

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That's what I thought it was a first but I would think the raised salinity in the hospital tank and heavy salt dips would fix it. Any suggestions?
 

frankoq

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Latest pics of this guy. A lot less white stuff than before. He looks ok. No strange behavior. eating. no heavy breathing. i keep dosing salt daily and he has been on melafix for 3 days. Might keep going for a full week and then just do the salt.

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On a side note, all 4 of my clowns have ick. these 2 have the most.
Looks like they like the bubbles to hit their bodies. poor guys.
Temp is at 87. no other meds in the 180.
I see some of the Africans starting to rub against rocks or substrate.
Someone suggested to take all 4 to QT, but at this point, all could have it. :(
open to opinions, but for now, the plan is to keep temp at 87+ for 3 weeks and hope for the best. Water changes as soon as i see the stuff fall off the clowns.

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olzkool

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I would keep him in for a while. All mine started to recover as well with salt and melafix, then it came back with a vengeance. Almost like whatever it was developed an immunity to it. Kinda weird.
 

Localzoo

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Based on the pics they still look like bite marks and scaring as for the ich not sure how that happened but keep temps and salt up double check the water temp with a different thermometer.


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frankoq

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Ok I'll keep the Acei in QT. As for ick, I hate it! I'll check temp with the other thermometer. right now, the main tank reads 87.8. the QT is at 80.
 
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