PHILODENDRON QUESTION

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I HAVE A COWORKER THAT HAS A BETTA AND WANTS TO KNOW IF THESE ARE POISONOUS TO FISH OR NOT. CAN SOMEONE ANSWER THIS FOR ME? THANKS;)
 

chris_todd

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DQ, is your coworker planning on putting the philodendron into the tank that holds the betta? While philodendrons are a diverse genus, with hundreds of species living in lots of different habitats, to my knowledge, they are not generally aquatic plants. So even if it wouldn't kill the betta, I doubt it would grow well submersed.

According to wikipedia, there is a south american tribes that uses P. craspedodromum to catch fish:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philodendron

But if the betta is in a bowl, and the Philodendron is potted separately, I can't imagine there being a problem.
 

lonlangione

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Many aquarists have philodendrons in their aquariums, roots only. They help keep the waste materials in check. I was at Rosario LaCortes' a few years ago and he had it everywhere. Chris is correct that if you plants it in the aquarium the leaves will "melt". If your co-worker pushes the root through a plactic cup and submerged the roots in the bowl, it will help keep the bown clean.

Lonny
 

mrkillie

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Many plants that are sold in shops are not aquatic plants, such as Draceana species and Spathophyllum species -peace lilies. But many will do well with their roots submerged (grown "emersed"). Many of the true aquatic plants we see in stores are actually grown this way-they will have an emersed form and a submerged form as many are marginal plants that may get submerged in nature from time to time. The plants will grow much faster in an emersed state than they will submerged because of the availability of carbon dioxide in the air. We buy the emersed form and eventually, when they grow in our tanks, the submerged form replaces it. That is the main reason you get a lot of die off when you plant your tank-especially with potted plants.

Joel
 

DonkeyFish

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Ditto above... the plant will not live if it is completely submersed under water. That said... sounds like what they are trying to do is like what was popular a couple years ago with the jars for the fish and the plants were placed in the opening and the roots would grow down into the water. Sounds like a perfect symbiotic relationship, right? On paper, it is... BUT... what people didn't realize is that the bettas (in particular-as the fish of choice for the company marketing this idea) are labyrinth fish and if the plants root mass completely covers the opening and the water level is high into the roots the fish can't get to the surface of the water to be able to breathe. So as long as your coworker keeps that in mind and makes sure the fish can get to the air everyone should be happy :)
 

longstocking

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I use cuttings and place them at the top of the tank in a little opening.... great for keeping the water clean.....

I am actually doing it in my living room tank.... half of the ivy has covered the top... now workng on the other half :)
 

dogofwar

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I've draped the ends it into my tanks before. They sprout roots and grow. Just make sure Mr. Betta can reach the top to get some air :)

Matt
 

marge618

CCA member
Ditto above... the plant will not live if it is completely submersed under water. That said... sounds like what they are trying to do is like what was popular a couple years ago with the jars for the fish and the plants were placed in the opening and the roots would grow down into the water. Sounds like a perfect symbiotic relationship, right? On paper, it is... BUT... what people didn't realize is that the bettas (in particular-as the fish of choice for the company marketing this idea) are labyrinth fish and if the plants root mass completely covers the opening and the water level is high into the roots the fish can't get to the surface of the water to be able to breathe. So as long as your coworker keeps that in mind and makes sure the fish can get to the air everyone should be happy :)

Ditto: I have had philodendron growing out of 10 or 15 gallon tanks... the fish thrived and the plants got 20 feet long...
Same plant in betta bowl looks cool.. but as noted above you have to make sure there is open water available at the top so trim the plant accordingly.
 
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