Mbuna list

Bozza45

Members
This list is the possible fish I wanna stock my 60 gallon tank with. I would like to choose about 4 different species. Take a look and tell me what your opinion is on the list please.

Labidochromis caeruleus
Pseudotropheus demasoni
Labidochromis hongi
Pseudotropheus williamsi north Makonde
Pseudotropheus sp red zebra
Pseudotropheus williamsi red top mbejii
Ps ob red blotch zebra
Melanochromis johanni
 

jonclark96

Past CCA President
I am not an experienced Mbuna keeper, but most things I have read/been told say to only keep one fish from a given genus to eliminate hybridization.
 

Bozza45

Members
Thanks for the info. I have been told as long as you have species that will not cross breed that keeping several would be fine. I don't know how true that is but that was my reasoning of putting the list together on here to get feedback on what to do. I appreciate you taking the time to post.
 

dogofwar

CCA Members
Others can weigh in but in a relatively small (4') tank, it would be better to focus on 2-3 groups of less aggressive mbuna of different genus.

Matt

This list is the possible fish I wanna stock my 60 gallon tank with. I would like to choose about 4 different species. Take a look and tell me what your opinion is on the list please.

Labidochromis caeruleus
Pseudotropheus demasoni
Labidochromis hongi
Pseudotropheus williamsi north Makonde
Pseudotropheus sp red zebra
Pseudotropheus williamsi red top mbejii
Ps ob red blotch zebra
Melanochromis johanni
 

Andrew

Members
I would choose 2 groups, one lab and one of the smaller pseudos like the demasoni or Ps. saulosi.
 

Bozza45

Members
Thanks for posts guys. I grew up around many different species of fish but its my first time around cichlids so thanks for all your help and hope I can post some pics soon.
 

WendyFish

Members
This list is the possible fish I wanna stock my 60 gallon tank with. I would like to choose about 4 different species. Take a look and tell me what your opinion is on the list please.

Labidochromis caeruleus
Pseudotropheus demasoni
Labidochromis hongi
Pseudotropheus williamsi north Makonde
Pseudotropheus sp red zebra
Pseudotropheus williamsi red top mbejii
Ps ob red blotch zebra
Melanochromis johanni
I agree that if you want to do groups (rather than all male) it makes sense to focus on 2-3 species.

My experience is that if you have sufficiently different-looking members of the species, and sufficient numbers of females for the males of each type, they are still unlikely to hybridize. But realize that if you don't have the right gender ratios, lots of fish will take what they can get regardless.

Thoughts on your list specifically... you have some pretty aggressive fish in there. Demasoni, red zebras, and johanni are ones that I know of that could be rough on each other. Demasoni will fight virtually no matter what. Red zebras vary and IME are manageable but you have to get the gender ratio right once they get towards adult size. I have successful demasoni and tropheus colonies and lost plenty of fish to stress, but to this day, my red zebras are the only fish that have actually beaten another one to death (and that, multiple times).

L. caeruleus are a crowd pleaser because they're pretty (when good quality) and mild tempered as mbuna go. I am not a fan. They're a very inbred species and I have had trouble finding nice looking ones, and even if they look nice, having good looking fry.

If you are comfortable with, or seeking, the aggression, my pick would be demasoni and red zebras. Start with 20-25 dems and 10 RZs. Get rid of all but one of the male RZs when they are sexable, and erm... the demasoni will take care of themselves. Demasoni and yellow labs are a classic combo, but the orange fish will give you just as nice a color pop.

General recommendation is to avoid combining red zebras and yellow labs, as they are very likely to hybridize. This, in my experience, is totally true, gender ratios aside. They have similar enough coloration and almost the same body shape... they'll interbreed.

That said, I have always coveted some hongi... not sure which of the fish on your list they'd go best with, though.
 

turfboss

Members
Hey Wendy - great inputs - some of the rest of us learn by just reading posts - and yours are always great - by the way I have your Dems and RZs (as well as my yellow labs) all in in separate tanks - no aggression yet among those 20 RZ's nor among the 14 Demasoni.
 

fischfan13

Banned
Labidochromis caeruleus
Pseudotropheus demasoni
Labidochromis hongi
Pseudotropheus williamsi north Makonde
Pseudotropheus sp red zebra
Pseudotropheus williamsi red top mbejii
Ps ob red blotch zebra
Melanochromis johanni

Ok...
First off, take Pseudotropheus williamsi red top mbejii off of your list...they are not available.
Next, Ps Williamsi North Makonde...a 55g is ok for them if they are the only fish in the tank.
Johanni...too aggressive.
Labidochromis Hongi. Do you want the TRUE Hongi or the line-bred SRT's?
I would say they would be good with any type of Red Zebra, but after that you would need to revise your list to make sure you had a good tankmate, both for the Hongi's sake and the sake of the tankmate.

After that, I would basically listen to what Wendy said and call it The Bible.
 

verbal

CCA Members
If I went with yellow labs and yellow tail acei, what kind of peacocks would you recommend?

I think your options would be pretty open. I would stay away from the bigger(and more aggressive) peacocks like Aulonocara jacobfreibergi. I also would avoid Firefish and OB peacocks, because they can be very unpredictable in behavior.

Based on my limited experience with peacocks, I think Aulonocara baenschi or Ruby Reds could work. I think there are other options that would work, but I would double check here.
 

Tony

Alligator Snapping Turtle/Past Pres
Based on my limited experience with peacocks, I think Aulonocara baenschi or Ruby Reds could work. I think there are other options that would work, but I would double check here.

Either one would work with those less aggressive mbuna.
 
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