Dolphin Cichlid (Krobia Itanyi) wrigglers

I had been so focused on the Salvini that I failed to notice a pair of Dolphin Cichlids I got from Jeff Greenspan also had paired up and have wrigglers right now. After Aquafest I guess I will need to try to set them up in their own space.
 

Tony

Alligator Snapping Turtle/Past Pres
If they're from Jeff Grenspan, they are K. guianensis he got from me in the spring at AquaMania. I sold him a bag of 6 or so at around 3"-4", I think.
 

jonclark96

Past CCA President
Post up some pics if you can. I've never seen itanyi in the hobby, although there were some fish imported several years ago sold as cf. itanyi that I don't believe anyone ever confirmed their ID.
 

Tony

Alligator Snapping Turtle/Past Pres
Yes, please post pics. I've never heard of a dolphine cichlid before.

Most commonly, a dolphin cichlid is a Malawi hap - Cyrtocara moori

Cyrtocara_moori.jpg
 
yeah that's why I threw in the Krobia to ward off people thinking I had blue fish with big foreheads.....I am the one with the big forehead around here.
 

dogofwar

CCA Members
My bet is that it's K. guianensis... which is available as a result of a Jeff Rapps export from Suriname a few years ago. Prior there weren't any of those kinda Krobia floating around (at least as far as I know).

It's also a pretty safe bet that the K. guianensis (or the like) were all collected in one area (vs. far flung places all over Suriname), as they were included to fill out boxes of Crenicichla that the guy Jeff had collect was focused on...

Matt

To my knowledge there have been no exports from French Guiana (where K. itanyi) is found.That said, whether scientists determine that the various Krobia that look like K. guianensis are actually K. guianensis or "new" species (e.g. K. pataroensis, K. petitella, sp. red eyes, etc.), is up to people counting scales and blotches (from CRC):

Diagnosis: Krobia petitella can be distinguished from described Krobia species by tubed scales of the upper lateral line extending caudally into a line bisecting the lateral band blotches posterior to the mid-lateral spot (vs. ULL tubed scales lying dorsal to lateral band). K. petitella can be further diagnosed by the anterior lateral band spots lying immediately ventral to the upper lateral line, instead of being separated from the upper lateral line by a complete row of scales in all other described species. Krobia petitella also has a unique combination of six distinct vertical bars and four lateral band spots (vs. K. itanyi 5 bars/3 or 4 spots, K. guianensis 5/5, K. xinguensis 7/6, Aequidens potaroensis 6/6, A. paloemeuensis 5/5). K. petitella is further distinguished from K. guianensis and K. itanyi and from Aequidens potaroensis and A. paloemeuensis by separation of the caudal spot on the dorsal caudal fin lobe from the lower lateral line by one scale length (vs. no separation). Krobia petitella can be distinguished from K. guianensis, Aequidens potaroensis and A. paloemeuensis by lacking a lateral band spot in bar 2 (vs. spot in bar 2 in K. guianensis, A. potaroensis and A. paloemeuensis). Krobia petitella can be distinguished from K. guianensis by the presence of two distinct interorbital stripes and a prominent preorbital stripe (vs. absence of interorbital and preorbital stripes). Krobia petitella can be further distinguished from K. guianensis by a significantly longer snout and longer fins on average. Krobia petitella can be further distinguished from K. itanyi by having the lateral band extending to the posterior base of the dorsal fin (vs. ending well before the base of the dorsal fin). Krobia petitella can be further distinguished from K. xinguensis by lacking anterolateral spots on the lower jaw and a lateral band blotch located in the second vertical bar as seen in K. xinguensis (spot in bar 2 also occurs in K. guianensis]) in addition to having a longer snout and shallower body than K. xinguensis on average. Krobia petitella is distinguished from Aequidens potaroensis and A. paloemeuensis by lacking lateral band spots on the caudal peduncle. K. petitella can further be distinguished from A. potaroensis by having a significantly deeper head, body and caudal peduncle as well as longer fins on average. (From Steele et al, 2013).
 

Tony

Alligator Snapping Turtle/Past Pres
I'm no Gil Grissom, but...

...based on the fact that Jeff had never heard of Krobia before AquaMania and he then bough a group from me.. and you bought some from him, I'd say they're probably some of the guianensis.
 
Gil Grissom is into bugs, fish aren't really his thing.

That said, I am not arguing the point much and will attempt to get good pictures sometime soon. The Krobia _____________ have wrigglers
 
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