Anyone Keep Altolamprologus Fasciatus?

knuckles

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I need (okay, more like "severely want") to get these fish but I can't find much info on them.

My plan was to buy a group of ~6 juvies and put them in a 33 gallon (4 ft) tank (for now). I'd like to be able to put other fish in with them but don't know if that's a good idea or who would even be good tankmates for them.

Tankmates available for relocation include: A. Compressiceps, 1 F Sumbu Dwarf Compressiceps, adult/juvenile Chalinochromis popelini, Julies (1F/2M), L. Caudopunctatus, pair Stappersi, 3 M Brevis, 1 M Similis .... would any of these work?

Any other tips?

Thanks!
 

Tim

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A. fasciatus are also on my list of "must have" Tanganyikans. They feed primarily on invertebrates. In the Lake I always saw them in groups. However, most references I have say to keep them as a pair. I'll most likely start off with a group of juvies and see how it pans out.
They were found in the same area as N. tetracanthas and C. horei. You could keep them with any number of similar Lamprologines like N. cylindricus, N. mustax, etc. Chalinochromis popellini were often in the same area as the A. fasciatus and would probably do well. I'm not sure how well your shellies would fare, as they may be seen as a meal. They max out at about six inches in length. A rock dweller tank with C. horei, A. fasciatus and some type of Lepidiolamprologus would be pretty cool.
Tim
 

longstocking

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Finding them is going to be hard unless you get them shipped....

I've ordered from this guy 1 time... and his fish were fantasic. Shipping ( from what I remember ) was 50 bucks. Air cargo into bwi.


http://www.hotcichlids.com/displayinventory.aspx?C=JV

If you decide to order from him let me know... I might split the shipping.

He has them listed as L. Fasciatus ... but I believe it's the same fish.
 

knuckles

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Thank you both -- I didn't think anyone would actually respond! :eek:

I had seen the fish at Scales a couple times (there's a post mentioning them in the 'Sponsor's Trader' section) and wanted to make sure I could give them a good home before I bought them. Of course, I didn't read your responses until after I broke down and got them anyway ....

There are a lot more left if you're interested (the tank is labeled "dwarf calvus"). I got 6 and can already tell they won't be able to be in my tiny 10 gal QT tank very long - they're feisty!

I'm glad to hear they may be able to live with my C. popelini - I'll probably give that a try while they're growing and see how they do. I'd love to keep some type of Lepidiolamprologus with them, but I guess I'll need a much bigger tank before attempting that.

Maybe I'll try posting a picture once they get a little more settled in.

Thanks again for all the info! :D
Jennifer
 

longstocking

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Very cool ! I didn't know they had them !


Should make for a great little tank.... without the Lepidiolamprologus. Don't add these... if breeding the rest would be dead even in a 6 footer. A single should do fine though.

Interesting trade name :lol: They get to 6 inches ;) ... not a dwarf in my book. I'm sure this isn't scales doing... I just think it's funny.
 

Andrew

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They're tank raised. I picked up the name "dwarf calvus" somewhere but can't find it now. I think it may have been mistranslated from a European name. Anyway, cool fish but I only have 9 left.
 
Wow! You would think a moniker like "dwarf" would be a key description of a smaller than normal size species. How do you explain your identification, beside a translation issue? Is this a common problem with LFS fish ids?
 

knuckles

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Hmm. They are shorter (from top to bottom) than calvus -- maybe they meant dwarf in height!! :p

The fish are doing well, and are eating anything I give them. They're even getting used to me staring at them! :rolleyes:

Thanks for the warning about the Lepidiolamprologus. I'd heard they were mean ...
 

longstocking

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A lot of times Bobby... suppliers come up with weird names. It's not the fish store that comes up with these names. I have no idea why they used "dwarf" but my guess.... to sell more as when you see a weird trade name it's usually to trick the buyers into thinking it's something "new". Or there is a comp. that is "dwarf"..... only gets to 3 inches.... they are great little sellers.... might be to confuse the buyer into thinking they are these.

This happens CONSTANTLY .... luckily Andrew and Jennifer know enough about Tangs that they knew what the scientific name was.

There was a company a while back ( not going to mention names ) that would come up with names constantly. For 2 reasons 1) to sell more 2) So that other exporters wouldn't know where they collected the fish.

That's why you see things like Xeno "red princess" .... no location was originally associated with this fish.... as the people collecting them didn't want thier new disovery found by someone else. Corner the market type of thing. Sometimes they even lie about the location :wacko: so that other exporters go looking in the wrong place... problem is this hurts the hobby. Usually about a year or so after the location is revealed. Frontosa "moba" aren't collected in "moba" .... just an example.

If the exporters stopped this sort of thing... I'm sure it would trickle down the line. Untill then... we are stuck with these weird names.
 

Andrew

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This is why many stores do not carry a huge selection of African cichlids, especially Tanganyikans. Most store owners/managers are not interested in scientific names, much less learning about the fish they bring in. I brought this fish in because it looked cool and I was pretty sure no one in the area was working with it. How many stores buy something for the sole reason that they've never seen it before? In fact, most stores avoid unfamiliar fishes. The real issue is that of common names in general. They are almost always misleading. Besides, how many Paracheirodon innesi would I sell if that's how I labelled the tank? Whereas Neon tetras are always a best-seller.

So why Dwarf Calvus? I would speculate that it was important to relay the information that this species is an Altolamp. even though it does not particularly look like the familiar co-generic compressiceps and calvus. There are, in fact, quite a few fish that are called "dwarf" in the industry even though they might grow larger than one would expect. In addition, because it is elongated it looks smaller than a calvus, even though it is longer. In fact the total body mass of adult specimens would lean heavily towards the calvus being the larger fish by a significant factor.

Finally, anyone who buys a fish from me get as much information as I can get on it. I use the opportunity of a new fish, even with a misleading name, to learn about it for my own curiosity as well as to relay that information to someone who may be interested in the fish. More importantly, I have many customers who know more about a particular species than I do and also use that opportunity to learn what they know, instead of pretending that I know more about all fish than anyone who could possibly walk through the front door of my store.

What do I know now that I didn't before I brought in these fish? 1. There's a third species of Altolamprologus, at least according to Konings; other ichthyologists leave it as Lamprologus or Neolamprologus. 2. It grows to 5-6 inches total length and maintains its elongated, juvenile shape throughout its life. 3. It is a cruising predator that eats shrimp and fish fry in the wild. 4. It is found throughout Lake Tanganyika without localized color forms. 5. It is not particularly territorial unless it is breeding. 6. It's a really, really cool fish and I look forward to seeing what Jennifer is able to do with the group that she bought. I didn't know any of these things before I had the chance to see them in person and learn about them.

Everyone knows that common names are problematic, at best, especially with Rift Lake cichlids. Do you not call your Aulonocara baenschi "Sunshine Peacocks" even though there are several species and color forms that might be predominantly yellow in color? Seems to me to be equally misleading. Yet I'll still use the name Sunshine Peacock because it's the name of the fish and will be recognizable to most customers as such. And I'll leave Dwarf Calvus on the tank too because anyone who is likely to buy them will either recognize them for what they are or ask me about the fish before they buy them.
 
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daniel4832

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I have to strongly disagree on leaving "dwarf" as any part of the description of Altolamprologus fasciatus. As with the other two Altolamps the male can reach 6", unlike the other two Altolamps, A. fasciatus needs more room. In the wild (and this is not a rare fish, it has a lake wide distribution, it just has never been popular) A .fasciatus can attack prey from three feet, rather then the two to four inches of the other two Altolamps. A. fasciatus also can be found over sand and rocks while the other two won't cross open sand.
When I bred this fish (in the mid 80's) I found that they were much nastier then the other two Altolamps. I was never was able to keep adults in a tank less then four feet, and did better in a six foot tank, they bred.
Also there already is a "dwarf" Altolamprologus, a shell-brooder from "Sumbu", leaving "dwarf" will only lead
to confusion.
Thanks,
Daniel
PS I agree with Sarah that the scientific names should be used, I think Andrew's argument actually does a better job of proving why LFS the should always use the scientific name, with the common name.
 

longstocking

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If this was a prefect world I would agree with you Daniel... if I had it my way there would be NO trade names lol.

But, if Scales only used scientific names they would lose a lot of money. If Andrew is there and educating people on the names... it's more than most fish stores do. No reason to have scales lose money. That's why I suggested to use both.
 
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daniel4832

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Sarah,
I feel that the use both names is the best answer for both the customer and the LFS.
Thanks,
Daniel
 

maddog10

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I agree that scientific names be used, but I sure wish they were easier to spell and pronounce. :smashfreakB:
 
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