"©" Means You Need Permission

Since we have so many new members here getting more involved with photography, I feel that the following information should be helpful.

When an image has a copyright on it, you need permission from the photographer to use that image. I mention this because I don't want any of you to get in any trouble "borrowing or stealing" images from websites and posting them on this site or other forums you surf to.

If you want to share an image you have seen on another site or in a reference page, and it is copyrighted, I suggest you post the link to the image. That way you and our webmaster here can't get in any trouble. You don't want to get the reputation of stealing images. I have already seen members banned from sites by the website administrator for posting images without permission. In fact, my images have been used without authorization a few times, and the guilty party has not only been banned, but has been warned of the legal ramifications.

With that said, always remember to save your own photos that you post on the web at a low resolution. Size them so that they are less than 800 pixels wide and 72 ppi. Save them as a JPG file. If you are using Photoshop, use the "Save For Web" choice when saving your web pix in your files. These sized photos won't print that well, so you don't have to worry about someone printing your work on paper stock.

Also, get in the habit of copyrighting all your photos. For those of you that use windows, the "©" can be made by doing the following: Make sure your Num Lock feature is activated on your keyboard. While holding the Alt key, hit the numbers 0-1-6-9 on your numerical keypad. Hold Alt, 0-1-6-9...©. Add your signature and the year next to it.

If you ever want to pursue someone stealing your images, normally a legal warning to them will get their attention and delete the image from the site they have posted them. If that fails, contact the webmaster and provide them with the legal warning. So far, that is all that I have had to do. There have been times when a few on my photos were found being used on non-English speaking sites. I have used my photography friends to help me give warning to those violators overseas. The irony is, that normally I give permission to use the photos. I email the user an agreement that they have to sign, and everyone is happy.

Now, I know there may be a lawyer or two reading this. Without getting into the law verbatim, my unofficial research has found that fines up to $500,000 can be levied for copyright violations. This is mentioned in my stock warning that I issue to image thieves. All I can say is that it has worked for me in the past.

I'm hoping that this thread doesn't turn into a long, legal interpretation of the copyright laws. The intention here is to pass onto those members who may not be aware of the consequences of copying and pasting photos impulsively.
 

longstocking

Members
:party0018: :sign0191:

Great information Bobby !

I must say.... if you just ask people... they usually let you use them :) Even though Bobby takes most of my pictures that I post... I do take a few. I have had images used without permission ( Bobby's and mine). Usually on German sites... It's usually not to make money.. which is out right wrong ! JUst to share with fellow hobbyists...

I just find it rude. Take the time to ask... and you will usually end with a friend !

I have permission from Bobby... from what he has told me... people have asked him if I'm stealing them :lol:

Thankfully Bobby is the man ! and very generous !
 

Charlutz

Members
I know you didn't want a legal discussion Bobby, but I think you may be understating your point a bit. It's been nearly 15 years since I took intellectual property law, but if I remember correctly, all original work is copyrighted, even if it doesn't have the © on it. It's a common law right that attaches on creation. Adding the legend reminds people that it is copyrighted, and is good advice as it prevents someone from claiming they had tacit permission to use the material. But I also would be careful to not give the impression that if something does not have a legend, anyone is free to use it. At least that's what my foggy brain cells remember. :) My typical practice when posting an article or photo to a msg board is to link to the original author's site and attribute the work to them. I haven't run into a problem doing it that way, though it's possible someone could object.
 
My typical practice when posting an article or photo to a msg board is to link to the original author's site and attribute the work to them.[/b]

Good advice Charlie. I think we are on the same page. Only your page is full of proper language and more expensive words than mine. :D

3P wrote:
I suggest you post the link to the image[/b]
 

marge618

CCA member
My typical practice when posting an article or photo to a msg board is to link to the original author's site and attribute the work to them.[/b]

Good advice Charlie. I think we are on the same page. Only your page is full of proper language and more expensive words than mine. :D

3P wrote:
I suggest you post the link to the image[/b]
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Oh Boy! Can I post the picture and the source? Sometimes I'm not even really sure where to find the original source?
How about quoting posts and pics from other fish club websites?
Later,
Marge
 
Oh Boy! Can I post the picture and the source? Sometimes I'm not even really sure where to find the original source?
How about quoting posts and pics from other fish club websites?
Later,
Marge[/b]

We're talking about the actual image, the photograph. You cannot just copy a image from the web, and do what ever you want with it unless you buy it, or have permission to use it. So if you copy one of my photographs that I have posted here, and pasted it on another site without my permission, you could be found liable for violating copyrighted material laws. The photograph is my property. A good analogy might be like a painting that an artist has created. Copies of the paintings that are produced without the owners authority are illegal representations of the artists work. Counterfeit.

Another example would be folks that would use my photographs for...let's say as an avatar. Unless they bought it, or have my permission to use it, they have stolen it.

Daniel and Sarah have agreed with me to use photos that I have taken of their fish. They have a "non-exclusive" agreement. That means, I'm letting them use the photos, but they can't sell them, or let anyone else use them without contacting me for my permission or fee. It' just a formality to keep control of my photos because they are on the www.

So Marge, if you see a photo that has a © with a signature, it is very likely that the owner of the photograph doesn't want you to copy it and share it with others without their permission. :winking0011:

You would be better off posting a link to the site for reference.
 

marge618

CCA member
Bobby, Thanks for the info. :blush: I went back to one of the better pictures I have collected recently and contacted the photographer. Took a little doing as I had not expected to need to do so. His response was immediate:

Ah yes. Those ARE my photos! You can use them for personal use. I just ask that you don't use them to sell your fish, unless you note that your fish are not those in the photos.

Thanks for giving me the heads up on this.


Though I won't be able to go back and do so for ALL THOSE MANY PICTURES collected over the last 3 years of fishkeeping...I can certainly adhere to "don't use them to sell your fish, unless you note that your fish are not those in the photos."

Also, I can see where - for pics with the @ symbol I will try to contact the photographer in the future, or post a link to the site for reference.
:happy0144: :sign0092:

Later,
Marge
 
Also, I can see where - for pics with the @ symbol I will try to contact the photographer in the future, or post a link to the site for reference.[/b]

Heee, heee, Marge. It's the © symbol that you want to take note of. Not the @ symbol. :winking0011:
 

marge618

CCA member
Also, I can see where - for pics with the @ symbol I will try to contact the photographer in the future, or post a link to the site for reference.[/b]

Heee, heee, Marge. It's the © symbol that you want to take note of. Not the @ symbol. :winking0011:
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@ c E C ... :wacko: How do I make one...There is no such animal on my keyboard..
 

maddog10

Members
Marge,

In the very first post in this thread Bobby tells you how to do it.

Make sure NumLock is on, hold down the ALT key and on the number pad hit 0 1 6 9 and you get ©! Now don't go adding it to all of those photos you have "acquired" from the Internet. :confused0068:
 

DeeCee

Members
Marge,

In the very first post in this thread Bobby tells you how to do it.

Make sure NumLock is on, hold down the ALT key and on the number pad hit 0 1 6 9 and you get ©! Now don't go adding it to all of those photos you have "acquired" from the Internet. :confused0068:[/b]


Am I the only one that just spent 15 minutes playing around with my number pad to see what other goofy things I could make?
Now I can do: µ ¾  Ÿ Ç Â¥ Ó ª à ° Ü Å¡ Ñ ö ╝ δ ⌂ â É ╗ ≥ ¢

Too bad I'll never remember the number combos when I need them! LOL
I obviously need a job. :wacko:

DC
 
Am I the only one that just spent 15 minutes playing around with my number pad to see what other goofy things I could make?
Now I can do: µ ¾  Ÿ Ç Â¥ Ó ª à ° Ü Å¡ Ñ ö ╝ δ ⌂ â É ╗ ≥ ¢

Too bad I'll never remember the number combos when I need them! LOL
I obviously need a job.[/b]


Donna, have a blast with your new found tool. You can go here to find all the Alt characters.
 

marge618

CCA member
<div class='quotemain'>Marge,

In the very first post in this thread Bobby tells you how to do it.

Make sure NumLock is on, hold down the ALT key and on the number pad hit 0 1 6 9 and you get ©! Now don't go adding it to all of those photos you have "acquired" from the Internet. :confused0068:[/b]


Am I the only one that just spent 15 minutes playing around with my number pad to see what other goofy things I could make?
Now I can do: µ ¾  Ÿ Ç Â¥ Ó ª à ° Ü Å¡ Ñ ö ╝ δ ⌂ â É ╗ ≥ ¢

Too bad I'll never remember the number combos when I need them! LOL
I obviously need a job. :wacko:

DC
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0169 0169 0169 © ¨£§ © ©

Me Too! Now that I have © under control am I one step closer to getting that camera?
Later,
Marge
 
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