Sunken Belly

cabinetmkr39

DavidG / CCA Member
I have a Red Empress that has a sunken belly what is going on. All the other fish are fine. I removed him from the tank and now have him in his own 20 gal. This has happen before to one in my show tank lived for a year like that but looked bad. any suggestions?
Food : HBH Attack , Kens color flake, Kens Krill pellets, Ken Brine shrimp flake,
Sera Granugreen pellet, Frozen brine shrimp, Kens Veggie flake, NLS ,Ultra Color , all sinking foods. also fish is still eating.
 

Tony

Alligator Snapping Turtle/Past Pres
Not sure what the answer is, Dave. I have a couple of fish with the sunken bellies and have had limited success in pumping them back up after it gets bad.

Separating the fish is definitely a good first step. Is the red empress getting out-competed when the food goes in and shying away?
 

chriscoli

Administrator
Oooooh I hate when that happens. I've tried everything from quarantine with peace and quiet to all the meds at my disposal, and haven't found anything that works once they get really bad.



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Tony

Alligator Snapping Turtle/Past Pres
May Prazi-Pro? Like Chris said, I've tried before, but had limited success.

Seeing as how you already have the fish in isolation, it's worth a shot. Maybe try to mix up something especially tasty - Green Repashi maybe?
 

cabinetmkr39

DavidG / CCA Member
Well first of all I'm glad i'm not the only one who has had this happen. its weird he was fine then i notice he was looking thinner ,I was thinking it mite have been stress related that's why I moved him. He is the only male among 6 females we all know how stressful that can be. Do you think its diet?
 

DiscusnAfricans

Past President
Maybe he just spawned with several females and depleted his energy reserves? Seems possible if it was a sudden change.

Only other time I've noticed that problem were in fish that likely had internal parasites. They would eat but not gain weight, and eventually wither away. Never found a good treatment.

Good luck and hope he pulls through.
 

cabinetmkr39

DavidG / CCA Member
I have not added anything from outside new to my tanks so I dont know where the parasite would come from. I'll let you know how he does....
 

69cichlids

Members
Iv read somewhere about soaking fish food in a salt/water mix to kill internal parasites, work or not I'm not sure

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JLW

CCA Members
For some reason, African Cichlids in general seem to be really prone to internal parasitic infestations. I don't know why this is, but I see it in them more than any other group of fishes, including new worlds. I wonder if it has to do with the way they're raised, or what.

I had the same problem in several mixed mbuna and peacock tanks, and had to ask a lot of people to figure out what the cause was. Fish would, as you described, be fine one day and then over a matter of days or weeks, their belly would become increasing and frighteningly concave. I had one fish that looked someone took a half-dollar shaped bite out of his belly.

The thing about internal parasites is that virtually all animals have them, and they're not really a problem. Remember, a good parasite doesn't cause so much harm that its host is ever put into danger. However, when the animal is stressed, its immune system cannot respond, and the parasites can increase in number beyond the "healthy" level, causing severe problems. So, something stressed your fish out -- he got chased by another fish, his favourite team lost, who knows. Whatever. The parasite population in him was able to explode.

I've had really good success using a goat dewormer in tanks to get rid of them. It's a HECK of a lot cheaper than Prazi. You can also find other products with praziquentenal in them, though the active ingredient in the goat dewormer is fenbenazole. You can pick up a bottle of it under the brand name of Safe-Guard for something like $20 at Tractor Supply. Use it at about a drop per gallon -- usually one dose. It turns the water uber cloudy, though. :) Fenbenazole is apparently very safe ... I've accidentally overdosed it and not had any ill effects.

I have about a gallon of it out in my car. Send me a PM before the next meet, and I'll bring you some.
 

JasonC

Members
how does Fenbenazole treat the biofilter in a tank?

I have had very good luck with Flubendazole and Levimazole in succession. Both are BB safe, as far as I can tell.
 
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